Comrade Klo,
My remarks on your statements:
(1) When you state that "It was a peasant revolution led by the
proletarian vanguard and assisted by the proletariat which led to the
Dictatorship of the Proletariat", It seems that you want to make the
proletariat an ally and assistent of the peasantry, not the other way
around, in contradistinction to Lenin's ideas;also at he same time , you
acknowledge that we have a proletarian revolution contrary to your previous
claim that "the first proletarian revolution is yet to occur".
(2) The concept of "revolution" against capitalism in
Marxism-Leninism means the process of a qualitative restructuring of the
mode of production through overthrowing capitalism politically and
abolishing private property. So, this concept does not mean any generic act
of rebelion by x against y, for example, peasantry against capitalism
because peasantry does not and cannot qualitatively restructure the
capitalist mode of production and abolish private property due to its own
foundation. In addition, the nature of any revolution is based on the
specific mode of production which is declared politically and being
established economically, but it is not based on the number of the
participants who might come from different classes. So, your questions, like
"What class did more to overthrow the Czar and the Provisional government
than any other? What class fought the capitalists during the Intervention
and the Whites during the Civil War more than any other by far?", are not
relevant to the detemination of which class is revolutionary against
capitalism, and which class has its dictatorship. The idea of establishing
the nature of revolution through numerical strength of a particular class is
not a Marxist-Leninist idea.
(3)In relation to your reference to Trotsky, I would like to mention
that if you have a point to make, please argue for your point without
conjuring up the amorphous "ghost" of Trotsky's ideas relevantly or
irrelevantly because, contrary to common misconception, the name of Trotsky
(assuming he is wrong) cannot make your point sound, and I am certain that
you can argue for your point without recourse to famous or infamous names.
Javad
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Subject: Re: Fw: [MLL]Two Key Overlooked Considerations
> Javad Eskandarpour wrote:
>
> Comrade Klo,
>
> You have made two remarks, in relation to the existence of a
> proletarian revolution, which seem to be contradictory: (1) "And
secondly,
> the first proletarian revolution is yet to occur". (2) " We had a
> proletarian dictatorship led by the CPSU (the bolsheviks) in which the
> revolutionary "muscle" was provided primarily, although by no means
> exclusively, by the peasantry but the leadership and direction were
not".
> So if "the first proletarian revolution is yet to occur", then,now, how do
we
> have "a proletarian dictatorship led by the CPSU (the bolsheviks)"?
>
>
> My reply,
> Fair question. It was a peasant revolution led by the proletarian
vanguard
> and assisted by the proletariat which led to the Dictatorship of the
> Proletariat. You are again assuming a revolt by the peasantry can not
result
> in a proletarian dictatorship. Who fought who on the Eastern Front in
WWII?
> Was it a case of Hitler fighting Stalin or did the Wehrmacht fight the Red
> Army? We both know that it was the latter, even though many people often
refer
> to it by the former. It would be absurd to think that Hitler and Stalin
> actually fought the war. Yet, what kind of society was created in that
part of
> Eastern Europe the Nazis conquered. Was it one formulated by Hitler and
his
> cronies or by the Wehrmacht? It was the former. And when the Red Army
> liberated Eastern Europe from fascist enslavement, the societies that
arose
> from that encounter were designed by Stalin and all his allies, not the
Red
> Army.
>
>
>
> In connection to peasantry, when peasantry acts as a
revolutionary
>
> ally of the proletariat to overthrow capitalism, this act does not
imply
> that peasantry as a class has become revolutionary in relation to
> capitalism. This is a misconception. Why? The reason is that peasantry
as a
> class and capitalism are based on private property economically. Thus, if
> peasantry as a class wants to be revolutionary against capitalism,
then it
> will be against itself in relation to private property, and will be in
an
> impossible position of preserving itself as a class and being
revolutionary
>
> at the same time.
>
> My reply,
> Not a correct analysis, Javad, because you are ignoring the fact that the
> overwhelming majority of the peasantry were landless. They were not
kulaks or
> even middle peasants; they were propertyless, not property owners. In
fact, a
> major reason they supported the Bolsheviks and the proletariat in general
was
> that they thought they would obtain the land by taking it from the few who
> possessed it.
>
> I again can't help but note the similarity between your position and
> Trotsky's. I was recently reading a fine book by Lion Feuchtwanger
entitled
> *Moscow 1937* in which he states on page 80, "When in the year 1924 Stalin
> recognized and proclaimed that the Russian peasant had within him the
> possibility of socialism, that he could, in other words, be national and
> international at the same time, his opponents laughed at him and decried
him as
> a Utopian. Today [1937] practice has proved Stalin's theory to be
correct: the
> peasant has been socialized from White Russia to the Far East."
>
> On page 100 he states, "Stalin held the opinion that complete and
practical
> socialism could be established without a world revolution, and, moreover,
that
> by the protection of the national interests of the various Soviet peoples,
it
> could be established in one separate country; he believed that the Russian
> peasant had the possibility of socialism within him. Trotsky disputed
that.
> He declared world revolution to be a necessary condition for the
establishment
> of socialism"
>
> For the cause,
>
> Klo
>
>
>
>
>
>
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