Interview with David McNally—Part 1
by Tempest, February 11
https://www.tempestmag.org/2024/02/perspectives-for-socialists-in-2024/
Part 2, March 4
https://www.tempestmag.org/2024/03/perspectives-for-socialists-in-2024-2/
both parts, all in one at Links, March 12
https://links.org.au/perspectives-socialists-2024-interview-david-mcnally
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Right now the electoral advances of the Right need to be countered in every
way possible. But if we want to stop the attack on reproductive rights in
the United States, for example, we should not focus on getting Democrats
elected. Instead we need to rebuild a mass based reproductive choice
movement. That’s what we’ve seen elsewhere, and it’ll be the case in the
United States, just as it was in the 1970s, in terms of winning on
reproductive rights.

Mass social movements create a different kind of politics. They teach
people that politics doesn’t have to be submitting to the Clintons of the
world. We’re never going to win over working-class people if that’s what we
project to them as the alternative—that a bunch of technocratic elites like
Biden and company, who have been lifelong political hacks in a Democratic
Party machinery, represent your future.

We’re not getting anywhere and we’re ultimately losing politically in those
terms. The real question for us is creating a mass counterbalance and
political life that prefigures a different kind of politics, a different
kind of organizing, and a different kind of struggle.

That will inevitably produce electoral spinoffs. For instance, think of the
Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party or the Peace and Freedom Party
associated with the Black Panther Party in California. There will be
electoral spinoffs, but right now the one overwhelming priority is creating
a Left force in politics to counter the Right. Ultimately, we need mass
Left movements to do that. We’ve got to get back to street, community, and
workplace mobilization as the key. There’s an opening right now around
justice for Palestine. I hope we don’t squander it.
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