'I'm not interested in changing hearts and minds': The work of an anti-Zionist 
rabbi

For Rabbi Brant Rosen, combatting Zionism in the Jewish community begins with 
building the mass movement for Palestine, rather than becoming entrenched in 
insular debates. 


Marc Steiner:

Welcome to the Marc Steiner Show here on The Real News. I’m Marc Steiner. It’s 
good to have you all with us as always. And this is another part of our episode 
of our series, Not in Our Name. We’re talking to the rabbi, Brant Rosen. He’s a 
rabbi at Tzedek Chicago, a consciously anti-Zionist congregation, founded in 
2015. He’s a former president of the Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association, 
co-founder and co-chair of Jewish Voice for Peace Rabbinical Council. He’s 
written in many journals. His newest book is Wrestling in the Daylight, a 
Rabbi’s Path to Palestinian Solidarity, and we’ll be linking some of his 
articles in Tikkun and Truthout and the Jewish Forward that you’ll see on this 
site and can read for yourself. Brant, welcome. Good to have you with us.

Brant Rosen:

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

Marc Steiner:

When I read the pieces you’ve written, one of the things that really came out 
to me is the pain of what you write about. It’s not like, oh me, oh woe is me. 
The kind of pain I’m talking about is the pain of watching Israel do what it’s 
doing at this moment in terms of the occupation of the war and the slaughter of 
Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I think that that’s something that many 
people don’t really get when it comes to especially Jews who say, no, not in 
our name.

Brant Rosen:

Yeah, I would say that the pain, there’s primary pain and secondary pain I 
suppose. I think the primary pain is the pain that I feel for the Palestinian 
people and what they’re going through and what is being inflicted on them with 
and has been for decades, but I think in the past year plus now, just to 
unbearable, genocidal levels. I follow the news very, very carefully and I read 
every day about mass murder that’s going on in Gaza, in the West Bank, now in 
Lebanon, and that is a deep source of pain just as a human being, as a human 
being of conscience. I’m sure there are many who feel the same way, probably 
not enough, but there is a growth of solidarity of Palestinians around the 
world.
I think secondarily as a Jew, not just as a human being, but as a Jew, I feel 
pain because a spiritual tradition that I cherish very deeply is being used as 
the pretense for this genocide and for this oppression and has been for many, 
many decades. And I mourn what is being done in my name as you put it, and also 
what is being done to a centuries-old, very venerable spiritual tradition that 
stands for ethical behavior and for promoting justice.


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