The tech notwithstanding.what is google to do with the stored information is a
question.
the buzz fiasco is troubling in many levels.
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:07:28 -0700
From: "Stanley Smith" <ssm...@getty.edu>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Google Apps
To: <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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After using Google Apps and Google Docs for a couple of weeks on a specific
project, I have to ask: Why on earth would anyone ever again spend a dime on
Microsoft Office?
Stanley Smith
Manager, Imaging Services
J. Paul Getty Museum
1200 Getty Center Drive, Suite 1000
Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
(310) 440-7286
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:54:53 -0400
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Subject: [MCN-L] LEH-Letter: Copyright, New Media Law & E-Commerce
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Contents:
1. Studies, Legislation and Conventions:
U.S. Orphan Works Report
Orphan Works in the U.K.
U.S. Interim Regulation on Deposit of Online Works
2. Legal Cases:
Google Held Liable in France
Damages Reduced in Thomas Piracy Case
Chinese Court Holds Search Engine Not Liable for Deep-
Linking
U.S. Supreme Court Restores Freelance Settlement
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What Could Have Been Entering the Public Domain on January 1, 2010
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1. STUDIES, LEGISLATION AND CONVENTIONS:
U.S. ORPHAN WORKS REPORT - The U.S. Congressional Research Service
("CRS") has published a report entitled "Orphan Works in Copyright
Law". Topics addressed in the report include the Copyright Office's
2006 "Report on Orphan Works," the various orphan works bills pending
before Congress, and the Google book settlement proposal.
ORPHAN WORKS IN THE U.K. - Leading U.K. cultural organizations,
including the British Library, press for the passage of clause 42 of
the Digital Economy Bill. The Bill would provide a system that allows
a cultural or educational organization to apply for a licence for the
use of orphan works.
U.S. INTERIM REGULATION ON DEPOSIT OF ONLINE WORKS ? The Copyright
Office will be adopting an interim regulation governing mandatory
deposit of electronic works published in the United States and
available only online. The regulation establishes that online-only
works, that is those without a physical version, will be exempt from
mandatory deposit unless and until a demand for deposit of copies of
such works is issued by the Copyright Office. The categories of
online-only works that will be subject to demand will be identified in
the regulations, and currently electronic serials have been identified
as the first category for which demands will issue. See:
www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/74fr3863.pdf
.
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2. LEGAL CASES:
GOOGLE HELD LIABLE IN FRANCE - The Paris Tribunal de Grande Instance
(Court of First Instance, or "TGI") determined that Google's digital
book project infringed the copyrights of French books. TGI ordered
Google to remove excerpts of French titles available online and to pay
?300,000 in damages and interest to two publishers. In 2006, the two
publishers, both subsidiaries of La Martini?re, sued Google for
violating French copyright law as Google made available online 10,000
protected French works without obtaining permission from the copyright
owners. Google argued that since the books were scanned in the U.S.
and under Article 5.2 of the Berne Convention, the fair use defense in
U.S. law should apply. In their ruling, TGI decided that French
copyright law applied since the books were owned by French authors,
intended for French readers, and made available through Google's
French-language Web site. This decision is currently under appeal.
DAMAGES REDUCED IN THOMAS PIRACY CASE - In the case of Capitol
Records Inc. v. Thomas-Rasset, the U.S. District Court for the
District of Minnesota issued an order reducing the $1.92 million in
damages awarded by a jury to recording companies to about $54,000.
The defendant Thomas had been found liable for illegally downloading
and uploading 24 songs over the Internet. The Court stated that the
reduced award was justified since Thomas did not profit from the
infringement. Thomas had requested an even greater reduction of the
award but the Court disagreed given that the defendant's conduct was
wilful. As well, the Court stated that the reduced award was still
"significant and harsh" and would sufficiently deter future
infringement. Following the Court decision, the plaintiff offered to
settle the case if Thomas would agree to pay half of the reduced
award, donate this money to a charity for musicians, and asked the
judge to vacate his decision so that it would be removed from the
record. The settlement offer was rejected and the recording companies
are now seeking another trial just on damages, arguing that the
court's calculation of damage per infringement is so low that it will
leave some content owners without an incentive to file suit.
Joel Tenenbaum, a university student who was ordered to pay four
recording companies $675,000 for downloading and distributing songs
online, has also filed a motion in his case requesting a new trial or
a reduction in damages.
CHINESE COURT HOLDS SEARCH ENGINE NOT LIABLE FOR DEEP-LINKING ?
China's largest search engine, Baidu, who provides online deep-links
to copyright-protected music files was found not liable for copyright
infringement by Beijing's No.1 Intermediate People's Court. The Court
stated that simply providing search results does not breach Chinese
copyright law. According to some lawyers, the case against Baidu was
lost because the record companies failed to identify the actual sites
that hosted the illegal music downloads.
U.S. SUPREME COURT RESTORES FREELANCE SETTLEMENT - The U.S. Supreme
Court overturned an appellate decision that threw out an $18 million
settlement between publishers and freelance writers in a copyright
infringement case. The writers had sued publishers and electronic
database services, such as Dow Jones, the New York Times and the
owners of Lexis-Nexis, saying that their contracts did not give the
publishers the permission or right to electronically reproduce their
work. The Federal Court in 2005 approved a settlement which covered
both registered and unregistered freelance works. An appellate
decision threw out the settlement, deciding that the federal court
lacked jurisdiction over infringement claims arising from unregistered
copyrights. The Supreme Court stated that the law did not restrict
federal court jurisdiction over copyright infringement actions.
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3. OF INTEREST:
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN ENTERING THE PUBLIC DOMAIN ON JANAURY 1, 2010 ?
If the pre-1978 U.S. Copyright Act was still in effect, copyright-
protected works from 1953 would have entered the public domain on
January 1, 2010. Current U.S. law protects works for 70 years from the
date of the author's death, but prior to the 1976 Copyright Act
(effective in 1978), the maximum copyright term was 56 years (an
initial term of 28 years, renewable for an additional 28 years).
Copyright-protected works from 1953 include Casino Royale, Marilyn
Monroe's Playboy cover, The Adventures of Augie March, the Golden Age
of Science Fiction, Crick & Watson's Nature article decoding the
double helix, Disney's Peter Pan, and The Crucible. See:
www.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday/pre1976
.
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4. SEMINARS AND PUBLICATIONS:
THE COPYRIGHT & NEW MEDIA LAW NEWSLETTER 2010 ? The 2010 Volume of
this previously print-only Newsletter (which has been in publication
since 1997) is now also available in a PDF format. This unique
publication provides plain English copyright compliance and licensing
information aimed at a diverse audience including librarians,
educators, government employees, publishers, digital content creators
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Email editor at copyrightlaws.com for a sample.
COPYRIGHT CERTIFICATE PROGRAM ? Copyrightlaws.com jointly with the
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? April 14, 2010 - A302 ? Licensing Content & Creative Commons 11:30
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? April 15, 2010 - W17 ? Copyright Management 101 9:00 am ? 12 pm.
Workshop includes discussions on copyright risk management, license
agreements, managing fair use, avoiding copyright infringement,
contents of a Copyright Policy, and copyright compliance.
See: http://www.infotoday.com/cil2010.
DIGITAL LICENSING ONLINE eCOURSE ? American Library Association
("ALA") is offering a self-study 27 e-lesson course on licensing
digital content, based on the book Licensing Digital Content: A
Practical Guide for Librarians (2nd ed. 2009), by Lesley Ellen
Harris. See: http://www.alastore.ala.org/detail.aspx?ID=2907.
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This newsletter is prepared by Copyright Lawyer Lesley Ellen Harris.
Lesley is the author of the books Canadian Copyright Law, 3rd ed.
(McGraw-Hill), Digital Property: Currency of the 21st Century (McGraw-
Hill), Licensing Digital Content: A Practical Guide for Librarians,
2nd ed. (ALA Editions), and A Canadian Museum's Guide to Developing a
Licensing Strategy (Canadian Heritage Information Network). Lesley
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Lesley may be reached at: http://copyrightlaws.com.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:12:23 -0400
From: <peter_g...@whitney.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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If anyone has a list of pros/cons or other considerations in switching
from Exchange to Gmail, I'd love to see it. What does Exchange do that
Gmail can't, or MS Office that Google docs doesn't? The pros seem to be
obvious and are advertised on Google's website, but have you or your
end-users experienced any negatives? Thanks, Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Marlo Lee
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:57 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
Ari, I wouldn't have considered that point because I assumed SOX only
applied to publicly traded companies. Good to know.
On Monday, March 15, 2010, Ari Davidow <aridavidow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>And imagine never thinking about archiving (and
>> retrieving archived messages!) spam, or user admin
>
> This raises some interesting red flags. There is no SOA such that
> storage on Google Gmail or Apps would constitute appropriate archiving
> for SOX or other legal compliance issues. If you have no liabilities
> looking ahead, then you are okay; if not, you still need some method
> of archiving and preserving access to this stuff.
>
> ari
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:16:22 -0400
From: "Johnston, Leslie" <lesl...@loc.gov>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Database consultants
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Cc: "alyssa_dodge at pem.org" <alyssa_dodge at pem.org>
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Alyssa,
I would suggest that you contact Katherine Burton Jones (kburtonjones at
comcast.net, she's also on this list). She has an extensive background in
museum IT and collection management consulting, and is based in metro-Boston.
Leslie Johnston
------
Leslie Johnston
Manager of Technical Architecture Initiatives
National Digital Information Infrastructure & Preservation Program
Office of Strategic Initiatives
Library of Congress
202-707-2801
lesliej at loc.gov
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Alyssa Dodge
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:19 PM
To: Johnston, Leslie; mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: [MCN-L] Database consultants
Can anyone recommend a New England region consultant who would be able
to advise us on collection management databases and digital asset
(primarily image) management? We are looking to create a system where
these two sets of data are linked.
Thanks!
Alyssa
________________________________________________________________________
___
Alyssa L. Langlais Dodge
Assistant Registrar, Collection Documentation
Peabody Essex Museum
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:14:09 -0400
From: "Frank E. Thomson" <fthom...@ashevilleart.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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While there are some nice features to Google Apps a lot depends on the
commitment of Google to maintaining iy, and not one day suddenly increasing the
price 50%.
But other questions that come to mind include what happens if you can't connect
to the Internet, security of your information and while many components are
compatible with Office my understanding is that the Google database is not as
robust as Access.
I guess it all depends on your institutions needs and your staff's willingness
to move to a new system.
Frank Thomson, Curator
Asheville Art Museum
PO Box 1717
Asheville, NC 28802
828.253.3227
fthomson at ashevilleart.org
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peter_g...@whitney.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:12 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
If anyone has a list of pros/cons or other considerations in switching from
Exchange to Gmail, I'd love to see it. What does Exchange do that Gmail can't,
or MS Office that Google docs doesn't? The pros seem to be obvious and are
advertised on Google's website, but have you or your end-users experienced any
negatives? Thanks, Peter
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From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Marlo Lee
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:57 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
Ari, I wouldn't have considered that point because I assumed SOX only applied
to publicly traded companies. Good to know.
On Monday, March 15, 2010, Ari Davidow <aridavidow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>And imagine never thinking about archiving (and retrieving archived
>>messages!) spam, or user admin
>
> This raises some interesting red flags. There is no SOA such that
> storage on Google Gmail or Apps would constitute appropriate archiving
> for SOX or other legal compliance issues. If you have no liabilities
> looking ahead, then you are okay; if not, you still need some method
> of archiving and preserving access to this stuff.
>
> ari
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:28:07 -0700
From: "Perian Sully" <psu...@magnes.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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We use Google Docs extensively at the Magnes for collaborating on inventory,
determining deaccessions, and tracking software bugs. That being said, we also
use MS Office for the majority of tasks for the following reasons:
1) formatting
2) sharing (not everyone can use Google Docs if we send them a link)
3) templates (like letterhead, etc)
4) image-embedded documents
5) Powerpoint has many more features than Google Doc's slideshow functionality
6) Not all of our staff are computer-savvy enough or comfortable with using
web-based apps, and we don't have the time or staff to train them otherwise.
We have also considered moving from our MS Exchange server to Google, but we
want more control over our assets, and we don't have the physical
infrastructure to support everyone working online (seriously - I have to do
offside database backups over the weekend when no one's going to be using the
interwebs around here).
~Perian
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:11:08 +0000
From: Chad Petrovay <chad.petro...@themim.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Google Apps
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Privacy. The only people that have access to your documents are staff from your
own institution, whereas, with a product like Google Docs your documents reside
on a server in Google's Datacenter, where administrators from their staff will
have access to them (whether they access them or not, either benignly or
maliciously).
I was once part of a discussion about transitioning to Gmail. One of our staff
members raised the point that Google does read your email, semantically, when
they provide advertising within the Gmail interface. Which raises questions
about how this information is indexed and stored. Google Translation which uses
statistical machine translation, which requires massive quantities of
linguistic data, and the more data they have in each language improves their
translation abilities. Are our emails and documents helping to provide a corps
of data?
I don't want to be a naysayer, but there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Chad Petrovay ?| ?Collections Database Administrator
MIM-Musical Instrument Museum | 4725 E. Mayo Boulevard ?| Phoenix, AZ 85050
480.478.6000 main ?| ?480.478.6058 direct | 480.471.8690 fax ?| www.themim.org
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-boun...@mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Stanley Smith
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:07 PM
To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Google Apps
After using Google Apps and Google Docs for a couple of weeks on a specific
project, I have to ask: Why on earth would anyone ever again spend a dime on
Microsoft Office?
Stanley Smith
Manager, Imaging Services
J. Paul Getty Museum
1200 Getty Center Drive, Suite 1000
Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
(310) 440-7286
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:30:02 -0500
From: Ari Davidow <aridavi...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Google Apps
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> After using Google Apps and Google Docs for a couple of weeks on a
> specific project, I have to ask: Why on earth would anyone ever again
> spend a dime on Microsoft Office?
Well, one response is that we have MS Office and everyone knows how to
use it. Staff here have several times tried working with Google Apps
(and with Zoho Apps, which seem better-featured and less buggy) and
they hate 'em all. Hate the way the hosted apps track changes, hate
the way they handle comments. This isn't true of all staff, but of
enough, that this is still not an option for us.
For us, at least, until hosted applications replace the way we
currently do things with either a close functional equivalent, or
something that people generally like better (and find easy to learn),
it's still an ideal; not yet a realistic change.
ari
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Stanley Smith <ssmith at getty.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Stanley Smith
> Manager, Imaging Services
> J. Paul Getty Museum
> 1200 Getty Center Drive, ?Suite 1000
> Los Angeles, CA 90049-1687
> (310) 440-7286
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:04:44 +0000
From: Richard Light <rich...@light.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Google Apps
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
Message-ID: <$ZZXmHdM6AoLFwQS at light.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed
In message
<747cfaf51003161530h6aa82e8aj27f8e5ee4cd14314 at mail.gmail.com>, Ari
Davidow <aridavidow at gmail.com> writes
>> After using Google Apps and Google Docs for a couple of weeks on a
>> specific project, I have to ask: Why on earth would anyone ever again
>> spend a dime on Microsoft Office?
>
>Well, one response is that we have MS Office and everyone knows how to
>use it. Staff here have several times tried working with Google Apps
>(and with Zoho Apps, which seem better-featured and less buggy) and
>they hate 'em all. Hate the way the hosted apps track changes, hate
>the way they handle comments. This isn't true of all staff, but of
>enough, that this is still not an option for us.
>
>For us, at least, until hosted applications replace the way we
>currently do things with either a close functional equivalent, or
>something that people generally like better (and find easy to learn),
>it's still an ideal; not yet a realistic change.
I came to the same conclusion some time ago, but with Open Office as the
replacement software. It behaves in a manner which is closer to MS
Office, and might be easier for the average user to switch to.
Richard
--
Richard Light
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:34:52 -0400
From: "Check, Marc" <mch...@museumofplay.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: "mcn-l at mcn.edu" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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John -
>From what I've seen, g-mail can be a wonderful solution for organizations of
>all size. It seems to be extremely scalable, and can be integrated with
>active directory and other Microsoft network management tools fairly easily.
>I have personally recommended g-mail as a viable solution for various (usually
>smaller) non-profit organizations, but have yet to seriously consider using it
>for our own organization. Despite all the cost benefits and ease of
>integration I have a bit of trouble allowing any of the Internet giants to
>"own" our e-mail data, and have some (albeit minor) concerns about relying on
>Google for consistent up-time and access.
Google has a fairly comprehensive and liberal privacy policy at this point, but
if Facebook is any indicator, we need to remember that privacy policies and
terms of use for organizational data mining can be changed at any time at the
whim of the service provider. I remain a bit uncomfortable putting all my eggs
in the "Google Basket", and trusting them with our organizational data. As
long as we have the infrastructure and resources to maintain our own e-mail
system I'll likely not look in the direction of Google for solutions, but can
certainly understand the benefits of doing so for other institutions. When
considering Google for service provision I think there has to be some more
dialog around the current and future terms of use for organizational data and
privacy. I'm wary of anything that is free. ; )
Privacy has become the new currency, and I recommend this Newsweek ed-op by
Daniel Lyons that briefly echoes some of my concerns:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/233773
"The genius of Google, Facebook, and others is that they've created services
that are so useful or entertaining that people will give up some privacy in
order to use them. Now the trick is to get people to give up more?in effect, to
keep raising the price of the service."
Good luck! : )
Marc Check
Director of Technology, Strong National Museum of Play?
Information Technology Manager, American Journal of Play
Associate Director, International Center for the History of Electronic Games?
One Manhattan Square
Rochester, NY 14607
Direct Line: 585-410-6323
Fax: 585-263-2493
cell: 585-755-8622
Email: mcheck at museumofplay.org
Website(s): www.museumofplay.org, www.americanjournalofplay.org, www.icheg.org
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:10:02 -0600
From: Tim Atherton <timather...@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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The University of Alberta here recently switched/is switching their
whole email system to gmail. Not sure how it's going in practice, but
that's a pretty large switch (about 50,000 students and staff).
http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/news/2010/01/25/google-s-gmail-selected-replace-email-service-across-campus
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/University+Alberta+outsource+mail+Google/2433450/story.html
tim
Tim Atherton
e. timatherton at telus.net
t. 780.292.3881
archivist ? curator ? photographer
?/The archives are comprehensive and totally secure, my young Jedi.
One thing you may be absolutely sure of - if an item does not appear
in our records, it does not exist!/?
Jocasta Nu - Jedi Archivist
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:45:03 -0400
From: Daniel Bartolini <dbartol...@nyscience.org>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Switching to Gmail
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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At the Hall of Science, we switched to the Google Enterprise Applications
platform about 14 months ago.
Other than some hiccups when Google had an outage, the experience has been
excellent. GMail is everything that the free version is, but without ads.
You can make full use of the Labs add-ons which has allowed customizations
that make switching away from a mail-reader/integrated organization system
like Outlook much easier. Many of us set a reader like Mail.app to start up
on a weekly basis, download our mail to a local file, and keep a nice,
searchable backup if GMail goes down.
The Calendaring system has been an excellent way for us to pull together a
number of disparate systems into something that can be easily shared, the
Sites functionality has eliminated the need for an "intranet," and little
tools like chat and ability to SMS from within do change communication
speeds (granted, not always for the better- but that's a human issue, not
the tools).
And syncing contacts is gloriously easy.
Now, before I start sounding like a Google evangelist:
I would call Google Docs a work in progress. While it does allow for faster
collaboration and less headaches when Windows, Mac, and Linux people send
out documents, it's not as full featured as MS Office (or OpenOffice), and
on more than one occasion I have switched to OOo because the formatting in
Docs was driving me a little nuts (it can feel a little like WYSIWYG editing
with Dreamweaver of years past). Additionally, the death of Google Gears has
meant no offline docs right now. So we wait until HTML 5 implementation gets
into full-swing.
The package does not include tools like Maps, Earth, or Wave. Having the
ability to create customizable map points from within your own domain
(without having to write it yourself) would be very helpful for everything
from invitations to exhibits to educational programs. Alas.
Like everything, you win some and you lose some. But the overall experience
has been pretty good, and far easier for people to wrap their heads around
when learning- and our IT staff has been much happier since the switch.
Hope that helps.
.Daniel
Daniel M. Bartolini
Exhibitions
New York Hall of Science
4701 111th Street
Corona, NY 11368
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Tim Atherton <timatherton at telus.net>wrote:
> The University of Alberta here recently switched/is switching their
> whole email system to gmail. Not sure how it's going in practice, but
> that's a pretty large switch (about 50,000 students and staff).
>
>
> http://thegatewayonline.ca/articles/news/2010/01/25/google-s-gmail-selected-replace-email-service-across-campus
>
>
> http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/University+Alberta+outsource+mail+Google/2433450/story.html
>
> tim
>
>
> Tim Atherton
> e. timatherton at telus.net
> t. 780.292.3881
> archivist ? curator ? photographer
>
>
> ?/The archives are comprehensive and totally secure, my young Jedi.
> One thing you may be absolutely sure of - if an item does not appear
> in our records, it does not exist!/?
> Jocasta Nu - Jedi Archivist
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