Gaveen Prabhasara a écrit :
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It's Debian's problem that they didn't package it, or ultimately
yours.
Like I said, asking MeeGo to conform to the lowest common
denominator in ALL distros is silly. The software can be
installed on those distros, so install it.
Debian is certainly not the "lowest common denominator in ALL
distros". It's actually the highest quality and complete
distribution on this planet. Fedora don't have as many packages and
architectures as Debian have. The fault is the strategic decision of
Meego to use code only available on Fedora.
If you could just stop typing the hell out of this thread and read what
were the others trying to say, you could've noticed for the umpteenth
time, that MeeGo isn't based on Fedora, nor is using exclusively
Fedora packages, nor has endorsed Fedora as the preferred developer
environment.
And please don't start yet another Deb Vs RPM case here. MeeGo is
using RPM and it's decided. If you start to discuss quality of distros
it'll soon get religious.
I found a bit easy to refuse to talk about quality because some people
get it as "religious". Quality is not a religion! It's facts that you
can quantify, policies and procedures to grant targeted goals.
You make at least two false points. For the first, I don't think Thiago
meant low quality when me mentioned "lowest common denominator".
But rather something in the lines of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_common_denominator
Thanks for remind me school math. But unlike you, I think that the
intent was to say that some distribution are not worth to be supported
by Meego.
For the 2nd one, as a member of the MeeGo community and an
enthusiast I never came across or noticed that the MeeGo project
has made a "strategic decision to use code only available on Fedora".
Wasn't mentioned in TSG meetings, or any WG or by any of the
employees of Nokia and Intel or LF.
After reading the PR about "Day 1: opening up the Meego development" I
simply tested to do a basic image creation to see what Meego really is.
The test failed and I discover that the actual Meego have only be tested
on Fedora and require specific package only found on Fedora. I agree
that nobody have say that, but it's just the actual facts I have in my
hands.
So please don't retort again, saying Fedora is given the precedence
over any other distro. I don't know what distros will be suitable out
of the box as MeeGo dev environments or if there's going to be a
more easier or generic way to setup the dev env (Eg: an SDK
installer). But if your favourite distro X is missing packages let's try
to do something about that rather than saying "Y is unfairly blessed".
I do basic testing that nobody have do, or a least let know of it.
[snap]
If the goal of Meego is to provide low quality software
uninstallable on common distribution by normal user and claim that
it's the user fault, then you are granted to miserably fail to
attract a valuable community.
I really value your ideas, but you show a staggering tendency to give
an ambiguous statement like the above and provide a skewed and
potentially poisonous conclusion.
No. I just let Meego people faced a basic test result in regards of all
the too optimist claims there have made to justify there strategy.
We are talking here about things that are not even started yet in some
cases. It's been just a few days since Day 1. And things are starting.
Packaging and build systems are not even public yet and a RWG is
in the discussions. So let's be a little patient and see how it goes.
And meanwhile, we can be productive. There's something called
constructive criticism. :)
Yes, this why I do the test. For me the failed result is a direct
consequence of some strategic decision about the deny of past
experiences and to be too optimist regarding the amount of work to be
done without upstream help. I would prefer to be wrong on this in the
future. Time will tell, but for me it's clear: either Meego learn to do
QA to the point is finally build something comparable to Debian, either
is will simply be a failed project that will never have a stable community.
Regards,
--
Jean-Christian de Rivaz
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