One way we might make this less conflated / confusing would be to adopt a more traditional treatment of items that are marked as read -- eg show them as highly collapsed / greyed out, but still present in the view and utilize a paging metaphor for getting aditional results.
- Luke On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Luke Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey, > > Thanks, I'm really glad to see some folks giving some real thought to this > stuff :) > > Quick note, I think when there is a starred-items view (in-progress) it > will be appropriate to revisit the 'show-hidden-if-starred' feature. > Presently, it serves to paper over the lack of this view rather than being > desirable in it's own right -- it's not feature creep, it's a hack :) > > To clear up the intent, the current purpose of 'hiding' items is precisely > 'mark as read', not 'this is uninteresting'. It used to be called 'mark as > read' and I'm not afraid of that language :) The idea is that you don't see > an item again in different tunings and you don't see it again when browsing > other people's jugs / starred items etc. Uninteresting is a different > concept, although perhaps marking something as uninteresting implies being > marked as read (or more). 'Uninteresting' has no exposure because there is > currently nothing that would act on it in a meaningful way. > > I'm not sure about the idea of modifying the tuning automatically, that > sounds ... kind of annoying and confusing to me. I feel like I'd be in a > fight with the system to describe my interests. I would rather have > 'interesting/uninteresting' influence some 'Recommended Items' filter which > would represent what the system had deduced my interests to be by > collaborative filtering algorithms, etc. If you ever trusted that it had > capture your interests, you could simply turn your reading over to it by > making it the only filter. Eventually, if we trusted it to do useful things > from the start for a new user, we could make it the default and transition > other filters into 'advanced' options. > > - Luke > > > > > On Aug 6, 2008, at 11:03 PM, Rolando Peñate wrote: > > During the DZN team meeting today we were looking over Phil's (excellent) >> progress on the Melkjug design and kept getting stuck on one particular >> feature that we're worried may be a little overwrought: hidden items. Chris >> Patterson pointed out that it simultaneously attempts to solve two distinct >> desires—the desire to mark something as read and the desire to mark >> something as uninteresting—and by doing so just gets a little confusing, >> especially when combined withe the 'Show hidden' feature's three options >> (yes, no, if starred). >> >> We tossed around a few ideas for handling it: replacing it with something >> more explicit, like (gasp) 'Mark as read'; adding a little trash icon to >> discard unwanted items (and perhaps subtly but visibly tweaking the filters >> as well); and/or simplifying the 'Show hidden' feature by removing the 'if >> starred' item (which reeks a little bit of feature creep). Obviously these >> are just ideas bandied about with abandon. What should probably >> happen—either now or in the near future—is a better discussion about this >> feature and its larger function within the purpose of the product. >> >> Anyway, forgive me Luke, I'm just opening a can of worms and seeing what >> wriggles out. I trust Phil or Chris will shoot me down if I am >> misrepresenting their thoughts. >> >> —R >> >> -- >> Archive: >> http://www.openplans.org/projects/melkjug/lists/melkjug-development-list/archive/2008/08/1218078209491 >> To unsubscribe send an email with subject "unsubscribe" to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please contact >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for questions. >> >> >
