And, the terms liberal and conservative have experienced similar flip-
flops over the years.
And, as to who chose the VP, these days, major politics is more like
theater. I feel confident that the 'writer' and 'director' remain the
same...Rove had to have a major part.


On Sep 5, 12:29 pm, "Jason (Memphis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Isn't the Republican Party the party that fought for evolution in the
> famous Scopes Trial in Tennessee?  Wasn't Clarence Darrow the straunch
> Republican attorney that literally made fun of former Democrat
> Presidential hopeful William Bryan for his biblical and creationist
> views?  My my, how the Republcian party's outlook has changed.
>
> On Sep 5, 9:13 am, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 7:27 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > McCain needed to
>
> > > court the fundamentalist christian, right therefore he chose her. The
> > > simple explanation.
>
> > I believe that you are correct here. This article supports your view.
> > Here the link and an excerpt.
>
> >http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/27696934.html
>
> > Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who initially said he could
> > not vote for McCain but has since opened the door to an endorsement,
> > called Palin "an outstanding choice that should be extremely
> > reassuring to the conservative base" of the GOP. Dobson added that the
> > ticket "gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters
> > regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme
> > Court."
>
> > On Sep 5, 7:27 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Hi y'all - I think we need to take Occam's razor to this. Palin was
> > > the most fundamental christian female out there. McCain needed to
> > > court the fundamentalist christian, right therefore he chose her. The
> > > simple explanation.
>
> > > On Sep 4, 8:42 pm, Isparklaria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Orn,
>
> > > > What an excellent clip. It shows how politics works, especially
> > > > Republican Party politics. Yes the dems play games too, but this takes
> > > > the cake. What a bunch of liars.
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 7:59 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Broadband humor about the hypocracy
>
> > > > >http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sa...
>
> > > > > (you need both lines above)
>
> > > > > On Sep 4, 3:51 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Good...it will be well worth the look. These, in my view are true
> > > > > > classics when it comes to all things political, sociological etc. In
> > > > > > today's atmosphere, they are seldom seen/heard of.
>
> > > > > > And, I left "THX 1138" off of the list. Even though it is a movie 
> > > > > > (one
> > > > > > of George Lucas' first works) it is one that all atheists, people
> > > > > > interested in economics and those concerned with big pharma and 
> > > > > > 'soma'
> > > > > > should see.
>
> > > > > > ===================================================
> > > > > > "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a
> > > > > > brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has 
> > > > > > suffered
> > > > > > it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
>
> > > > > > On Sep 4, 2:43 pm, "Angelia Stinnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > My political science professor compared it to 1984 and Animal 
> > > > > > > Farm too. Will
> > > > > > > have to look into that.
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:10 PM, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > > PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > There are family values and then there are family values.
>
> > > > > > > > Ronald Reagan proved that. Newt Gingrich proved that. The other
> > > > > > > > religious fanatics, sexual deviants, racists and warmongers did 
> > > > > > > > too.
>
> > > > > > > > The term has become about as hollow as that of conservative! 
> > > > > > > > Heck, I'm
> > > > > > > > a big conservative…I want to conserve the constitution, voting 
> > > > > > > > rights,
> > > > > > > > separation of church/state, a sound fiscal policy, a sense of 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > common good etc.
>
> > > > > > > > This was all predicted by H. G. Wells in his 1984. Other similar
> > > > > > > > dystopias include: Animal Farm, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451 
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > The Iron Heel.
>
> > > > > > > > "Newspeak" is in fact not new at all, sadly.
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 4, 12:23 pm, "Angelia Stinnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Here's my question about Palin. She is the mother of 5 
> > > > > > > > > children and will
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > taking on the responsibility of an unplanned grandchild. How 
> > > > > > > > > is she the
> > > > > > > > > picture of family values when she is sacrificing being with 
> > > > > > > > > her small
> > > > > > > > > children to pursue her ambitions? Hillary Clinton was 
> > > > > > > > > criticized for
> > > > > > > > being a
> > > > > > > > > working mother, but she had only one child. With 5(or 6) 
> > > > > > > > > children to care
> > > > > > > > > for, it's hard enough when you don't work; how is she to be 
> > > > > > > > > an effective
> > > > > > > > > mother when she's in another country, and scheduled to be in 
> > > > > > > > > 6 states in
> > > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > days? Thinking of this issue, it crossed my mind of how funny 
> > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > Saturday
> > > > > > > > > Night Live skit that will be. They should show her trying to 
> > > > > > > > > be the
> > > > > > > > > president with children running everywhere. I simply question 
> > > > > > > > > how much
> > > > > > > > > individual time she will have with each child and if she has 
> > > > > > > > > bothered to
> > > > > > > > > think much of their needs. Growing up with a nanny never 
> > > > > > > > > proves to be the
> > > > > > > > > same thing as having a mother and/or father home.
>
> > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I believe a mother can have a career, but 
> > > > > > > > > being away
> > > > > > > > > from your children to the extent that she will have to be 
> > > > > > > > > away from her
> > > > > > > > > children is generally done when that parent has to do it to 
> > > > > > > > > provide for
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > family. If she wants to be in politics, maybe she should wait 
> > > > > > > > > until her
> > > > > > > > > babies are at least teenagers....but obviously being away 
> > > > > > > > > from a teenager
> > > > > > > > > too much has bad results too.
>
> > > > > > > > > No, I am not a sexist, so no one need bothering accuse me of 
> > > > > > > > > such. I
> > > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > > know the truth of what happens to children when parents trade 
> > > > > > > > > them for
> > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > careers. Ask Martha Stewart's daughter. If she thinks being 
> > > > > > > > > the vice
> > > > > > > > > president or president won't effect her time with her 
> > > > > > > > > children, she's
> > > > > > > > wrong.
> > > > > > > > > It is my personal opinion that she doesn't really care or is 
> > > > > > > > > in denial
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > how much her children are going to suffer. It's simply not a 
> > > > > > > > > choice I
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