I don't want to get sidetracked, Taylor.  We can talk about the
practical conclusions later.  Right now, I'm not even sure that
everyone is following the simple logic. Assume we agree on the
specifics X.  We then have:

A freethinker uses X to arrive at his beliefs.
Han Solo used X to arrive at his theism (or any belief Y).
Therefore, Han Solo is a freethinker.

Several people have objected that they can't imagine how anyone could
arrive at theism via X.  But that's not relevant to the logical
soundness of the conclusion.  The only way to *logically* exclude
theism from the above conclusion is to specifically include nontheism
in the major premise.  In other words, you must have: "A freethinker
uses X to arrive at his beliefs, but only if he arrives at
nontheism."

The extra requirement is not advisable because it makes freethought
internally inconsistent.  (Freethinkers are supposed to be free of
dogma, yet a requirement of nontheism is indistinguishable from a
dogma.)  That's the best argument for not including nontheism in the
definition of freethought.  If anyone offers a relevant criticism of
that logic, then I will respond.

Otherwise, the next step is to talk about the practical (as opposed to
purely logical) implications.  That's where most of you are coming
from, I think, but it is important to me that I start at the
beginning.  It helps me avoid "retrofitting" my epistemology to
exclude uncomfortable conclusions.

Aaron

On Oct 29, 12:00 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <<Freethought is the use of logic, >>
>
> You'd need to add the criteria of 1) *valid* logic and 2) true
> propositions.
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