*"feelings come first and tilt the mental playing field on which reasons and
arguments compete. if people want to reach a conclusion, they can usually
find a way to do so."*

*-jonathan haidt*

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It does sound like the reality of how we do things apart from the theory of
> to say everyone can be a freethinker.  I guess if your objective is to see
> through the lens of logic at all times...that would be very difficult or
> perhaps impossible - because can we really divorce ourselves from the
> influence of emotion?  I don't believe so.  For instance, when "fight or
> flight" kicks in logic can fly out the window, so I guess I am trying to put
> some accounting on biology having divisive but ever present effects that
> have evolved to serve our survival best possible ways:)
>
> Hey,  how about this...."Freethinkers insist on using reason to arrive at
> logical conclusions to the best of thier individual capabilities".
>
>   On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi y'all - well if that is true, everyone is a freethinker and the
>> definition should be adjusted to reflect that, such as: "Freethinkers
>> insist on using reason, logic, and evidence as the bases for forming
>> reasonable and justified beliefs on some occasions and as it suits
>> their needs."
>>
>> On Oct 29, 1:46 pm, CrossBow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I have to disagree Cap'n.  I think personal experiences can close our
>> minds
>> > in some areas and open them in others.  Could it be pain avoidance? for
>> > whatever reasoning flaw, some things I can apply logic to and others,
>> > emotion plays so much interference I can't think:) Where the
>> logic/emotion
>> > switch is...I can only make a vulgar guess..
>> >
>> > though I would guess that some people overall are less likely to think
>> > logically of anything and hide their heads in the sand....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>  > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi y'all - I'm interested in your claim that we can be "freethinkers
>> > > in some areas of life." Do I take that to mean that some people that
>> > > we mutually know can think freely about sport or politics but not
>> > > about religion? If we assume, and Aaron and I both do, that
>> > > Freethought is a process, then you propose that we have the abiltiy to
>> > > turn on and off this process. That means we have partial or part time
>> > > freethinkers. Personally, I can't go along with that. I've talked to
>> > > many christians who seem like freethinkers until we get onto the
>> > > subject of religion. I don't think they are turning off their
>> > > freethought process, I think they just haven't got it, and my
>> > > assumption that they are freethinkers when discussing politics etc. is
>> > > erroneous.
>> >
>> > > On Oct 29, 12:04 pm, stem cell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > I agree with the point made about coming to a conclusion based on
>> > > > evidence (and/or lack of such).  In some sense we are all closed
>> > > > minded...on certain topics.  However, "Freethought" in Memphis
>> > > > Freethought Alliance (MFA) is not just about "Freethought" on
>> god(s).
>> > > > For instance, there are things like certain evolutionary processes
>> and
>> > > > adaptations, quantum mechanics, neurosciences, etc. where
>> freethought
>> > > > is a good thing.  It is a process...free to think in various areas.
>> > > > MFA is not just composed of atheist who are certain there is no
>> > > > god...or however you want to define that term.  I deny the holy
>> > > > spirit.  How's that for closed minded?  It is not a bad thing.
>>  Sagan
>> > > > said that one should not be so open minded that your brains fall
>> out.
>> > > > Good advice.  But that implies that there are areas in which haveing
>> a
>> > > > closed mind on certain things is a good thing.  We are all
>> > > > freethinkers in some areas of life...no matter who you are.  Just
>> some
>> > > > of us go one god further.  :-)
>> >
>> > > > stemcell
>> >
>> > > > On Oct 29, 10:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > Though I call myself a freethinker I may no longer  actually be a
>> > > > > freethinker.  I have been so completely atheist for so long  that
>> if I
>> > > were presented
>> > > > > with conclusive evidence of the existence of a god I  would not
>> likely
>> > > accept it.
>> > > > >  I would find it to be more likely that someone  had dropped LSD
>> in my
>> > > beer
>> > > > > or that I had developed a severe brain chemical  imbalance or
>> > > something.  That
>> > > > > would be far more likely than proof of a  supernatural god.  I
>> think
>> > > Aaron is
>> > > > > a freethinker because he seems open to  new evidence.  I think I
>> have
>> > > become
>> > > > > about as closed minded as the  xians.  I clearly was a freethinker
>> and
>> > > I did
>> > > > > arrive at my conclusions as a  freethinker but now that they are
>> > > conclusions I
>> > > > > don't know that I can truly call  myself a freethinker.  What do
>> you
>> > > all think?
>> >
>> > > > > J.
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