Liz, there is some very general literature on the unique social traits of macaques, but very little. All of the research papers I have are on the site, DARKCHRIST. About all you will find in the general literature are references to the "crystal gazing" as a curiosity, the familiarity some of the sub species have with water habitat, occasional references to macaque worship, and a few references to the method the Japanese macaque uses to separate grain from sand.
There are some studies of their social structure but they are not in depth. They have not drawn the interest that the chimpanzee has. That they have some social similarities to man has nothing to do with our relationship in evolution. The chimpanzee tool use draws interest because it is a higher primate and has common ancestry to man. The macaque might be described as a higher monkey. It is not an ape, in spite of the Barbary Ape being a macaque, so does not draw the interest. The complex tribal structure is a special interest of mine. I have spent many years studying them (not just in books ~ in the wild) and have the only very in depth writings on their social shamans and those writings are on DARKCHRIST. The shaman conclusion is not drawn by any other than myself. I do have first hand accounts of what can easily be described as shaman like behavior and recognition on the part of tribal members. Most researchers are not inclined to take it that extra step and call it shamanism. My contention is that is due to human chauvinism and that there really isn't anything unique about shamanism or mans inclination to respond irrationally to spaced out members of a group. My position is not that there is anything that special about the macaque. My position is that there is not anything that special about man. http://niggerwise.com On Nov 5, 8:25 pm, pictishprincess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's interesting. I have never heard of shamanism in the animal > kingdom. Can you do me a favor and point me in the direction of some > literature, so I can read some about it? It's quite an intriguing > idea. > > Liz > > On Nov 5, 6:12 pm, BBDD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Liz, it very much does exist outside human social structure. It only > > occurs in sub-species with very strong tribal structures. I have done > > research on it for years with much field work. There are a number of > > very strange "coincidences" associated with the phenomena. The animals > > are often worshiped by man and the indigenous human populations > > resemble these creatures in distinct social traits. It is the more > > tribal of the subspecies of macaque ranging through Southeast Asia and > > into the Philippines. The shaman individuals spend much of their time > > staring at anything shiny (crystal gazing) and ingest local > > entheogens. > > > The slightest movement of these shaman individuals can move the group > > in a very mild way. On the other hand if the alpha signals, the group > > movement is nearly hysterical and violent. The more and stronger the > > shaman, the more peaceful the tribe. > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > On Nov 5, 5:08 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How wonderful! Those archaeologists must be beside themselves with joy > > > for > > > discovering such an interesting grave! > > > > Yes, shamans have been around for a VERY long time. A shaman is a > > > intermediary between the human world and the spirit world. Shamans don't > > > have the status in their cultures as priests do in more complex > > > civilizations, but often apprentice for knowledge but must work to sustain > > > themselves like everyone else. Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers > > > likely practiced shamanism, and some western European cave art and burials > > > support this. > > > > I think it's absolutely fascinating, although I had never heard of the > > > phenomenon existing outside Homo sapiens sapiens. That would be very > > > significant! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BBDD > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:54 PM > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > Subject: Re: THE GAME 2 > > > > An anthropologist, huh. Here is one for you. They just discovered the > > > oldest shaman grave in Israel. The shaman phenomena is much older than > > > imagined. It exists in other species. What are they? > > > >http://niggerwise.com > > > > On Nov 5, 4:26 pm, "Liz Purkrabek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I remember that you did post that earlier. Thanks. However, could you > > > > be > > > a > > > > bit more specific as to why you chose the title that you did? What is > > > > the > > > > significance of the name "niggerwise"? Are you an "African American"? > > > I'm > > > > studying to be an anthropologist and am becoming more and more impatient > > > > with the use of race labels. Especially since those labels are > > > > completely > > > > arbitrary. > > > > > Looking forward to your response. > > > > > liz > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BBDD > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:22 PM > > > > To: Memphis Freethought Alliance > > > > Subject: THE GAME 2 > > > > > About that site you are all afraid will bite: > > > > > It is an exercise in free thought creativity. It is not one site, but > > > > seven in a network called NEW AEON NETWORK. The three sites open to > > > > the public are OCCULTCHRIST, WEIRWIZARD, and NIGGERWISE. All others > > > > require a password as do portions of NIGGERWISE. NIGGERWISE includes > > > > something that has been around for a spell in various forms called THE > > > > GAME. The game consists of SEVEN TIERS. TIER ONE some here have seen. > > > > It is four PASSAGES leading to four CHAMBERS containing original > > > > created content. TIER TWO is now open. Sound and titles will follow > > > > soon. Each TIER is four times the size of the previous TIER. TIER > > > > THREE will open very soon and contain far more animations and original > > > > music. TIER THREE will contain over 60 animations. > > > > > After TIER SEVEN it is no longer patterned after the four centers of > > > > mind but instead patterned after the trinity of mind processes; > > > > ingestion, digestion, and expression. Those tiers continue through a > > > > total of six more tiers. 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