“That's as it should be. The majority doesn't have the right to
steamroll over the minority.” – T

Yes, the majority should bow to the will of the minority and not hold
their view(s) as being sacrosanct.

“Obama needs to govern as a center left president, not a left left.” –
T

I would be happy if he governed as a centrist. I have little hope of
that though.

“Moreover, I'm skeptical that the majority actually supports the
things on your list or even understands them.” – T

Your skepticism is noted. Having followed the issue perhaps a little
more closely than you, I hold no skepticism that the majority of
people support the majority of those things. Yes, they may have to be
phrased a little differently and/or explained in allegorical terms,
….perhaps even expanded upon some, but I hold no doubt of the truth of
my assertion.

“Many of items are phrased in such a way to coerce agreement, when the
underlying meaning is unclear.” – T

Strange…I find neither to be the case.

“I potentially disagree with a great many of them, but it would depend
on what specific proposals were put forward to effect these policy
changes.” – T

Of course, the ‘devil is in the details’. We all know this. I’m glad
to hear that you support these views by the way. Since, according to
my claim about the majority of the people doing so, the odds were in
my favor though.

“In any event, the items on your list are too rigid.” – T

Uhh, now they are too rigid? All I did was to present a list of issues
to support my point. In no way was it meant to be a political primer
nor a sugar coated pill about issues. It was meant to be what it was,
a concise list of issues. A clear point of view. Not some sort of
politically correct ambivalence.
Having said this in an attempt to clarify why I only made a list, how
do you see these overviews as being ‘too rigid’? Earlier you said that
‘the underlying meaning is unclear’. These do not appear to be
compatible. But, I would be interested in what your preferences in how
they were phrased would be.

“We have some problems to solve and it will take some exploration to
figure out how to do so.” – T

Absolutely! We always do. I welcome your participation in the process
of said exploration!

“Some of the ideas on your list may be appropriate, but others may be
the hammer looking for the nail.” – T

Sorry, too many qualifiers and analogies for me to have any clear view
of what you are intending to say Taylor. Perhaps you could rephrase it…
using examples?

“Let's consider all the alternatives before deciding.” – T

Alternatives? To what? There are untold issues before humanity. Many
here in the USA. The list I provided included some of these issues.
Obama does not appear to be interested in addressing these important
issues. He will either leave them alone or do something in apparent
opposition to the will of the majority.

What sort of ‘alternative’ are you wanting to look at?

And, what does that, when you clarify it, have to do with what you and
I decide upon? Or, are you suggesting that Obama must start all over
and think about everything before making decisions? I feel sure he
hasn’t stopped looking at alternatives since he was born. I feel sure
he has made numerous decisions and will continue to do so. I hope he
will listen to wise counsel. Unfortunately, as I was pointing out, he
appears to be selecting much of the ‘old guard’ that produced the
current situation to be his advisors. This is how I can easily say
that he will not produce much actual change when it comes to numerous
important topics.

However, perhaps he will surprise me and reject the ideas of some of
these ideologues and supplant his own will, whatever that is since he
hasn’t made it clear. At least not in any material way as being
something in fact different. Oh, wait, he is different and his
speaking style is different and he may give us more information than
‘W’. So, in these ways, yes there will be change. In the more
important areas?…not so much, as I see it.



On Nov 17, 3:37 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <<I see him as ignoring the will of the people.>>
>
> That's as it should be. The majority doesn't have the right to
> steamroll over the minority. Obama needs to govern as a center left
> president, not a left left.
>
> Moreover, I'm skeptical that the majority actually supports the things
> on your list or even understands them.  Many of items are phrased in
> such a way to coerce agreement, when the underlying meaning is
> unclear.  I potentially disagree with a great many of them, but it
> would depend on what specific proposals were put forward to effect
> these policy changes.
>
> In any event, the items on your list are too rigid.  We have some
> problems to solve and it will take some exploration to figure out how
> to do so.  Some of the ideas on your list may be appropriate, but
> others may be the hammer looking for the nail.  Let's consider all the
> alternatives before deciding.
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