“…yes I believe that it is rational to assume that the body has only
one really useful purpose after death, and that is to possibly save
the lives of others….” – clog

So Clog, you think that we need to assure that more people will
populate the planet? In other words, we don’t have enough people
living at one time here yet? The ‘rational’ result of ‘saving the
lives of others’ is an increase of population that otherwise would not
happen.

A few thousand years ago or even a few hundred perhaps this wouldn’t
have made much difference. Today, I question whether direct actions
taken that increase the population, when examined more deeply, may not
in fact be ‘rational’. At least not when the ultimate result of such
actions is addressed…overpopulation and the clear result of extreme
suffering of more and more people.

Those who live a rather provincial life in ‘civilized’ cities in the
USA may not think in this global sense often enough. A quick review of
how ‘we’ as a people use resources might help to clarify the point.

http://www.dieoff.org/page27.htm

Of course, the topic of using organs of the dead and/or dying to keep
those alive…alive is even more complex than this. However, to ignore
this aspect and attempt to impose some sort of ‘rational’ analysis to
a myopic view does no one any good at all, except perhaps for the ego
of the one presenting such an oversimplistic ‘analysis’.


On Nov 29, 9:22 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi y'all - yes I believe that it is rational to assume that the body
> has only one really useful purpose after death, and that is to
> possibly save the lives of others. The implied consent law would be a
> huge boon to all those on the organ transplant waiting list, many of
> whom die waiting. Religious or other objections can be upheld by
> opting out of the system, thus satisfying the irrational.
> Many people don't even think of organ donation, and implied consent
> would either make them think, or if they choose to continue in their
> own oblivious way, help them provide a useful service to society.
> How do y'all feel?
>
> On Nov 29, 1:39 am, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Yes, all is one.
>
> > On Nov 28, 9:29 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > They all describe the same thing.
>
> > > On Nov 28, 10:23 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > >http://www.onelook.com/?w=rational&ls=a
>
> > > > On Nov 28, 7:32 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > <<To assume that one's own brand of being 'rational' (meaning whatever
> > > > > 'I' think is ok) trumps anyone else's view and/or rights is 'rather
> > > > > irrational' too, no?>>
>
> > > > > No.  There are no "brands" of rational.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 28, 6:58 pm, Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > He probably is in favor of "presumed consent."  I agree.  To be
> > > > > > > concerned what happens to your body after you die is rather
> > > > > > > irrational.   My mother, for instance, is concerned that when 
> > > > > > > Christ
> > > > > > > returns, she will have pieces of her body missing when she rises 
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the dead.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 28, 8:41 pm, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I'm not sure which aspect you consider to be the 'good idea'. I 
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > lived in states where a sticker is placed on the dirver's 
> > > > > > > > license if
> > > > > > > > one wants to donate...and even what in some cases. This sort of 
> > > > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > is quite common already. However, IF you are suggesting that 
> > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > should, with or without their consent, have to donate organs a 
> > > > > > > > debate
> > > > > > > > would ensue.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 11:25 am, Clogtowner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Hi y'all 
> > > > > > > > > -http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/chester-news/local-chester-news/che...
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