Hi y'all - not for the first time, I agree with Taylor. Relaxation
techniques are undoubtedly beneficial, but to take the leap of faith
to dualism is unscientific and therefore unwarranted.

On Dec 13, 6:45 pm, Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've read enough of the scientific investigation of meditation to
> provisionally accept that there are some physiological benefits to the
> practice.  Whether the benefits demonstrated are the same as the ones
> claimed in this article is a separate question and I'd have to review
> the literature before I would accept that.  Since the question isn't
> that important to me, I will again provisionally accept that the
> claims of the article are accurate.
>
> However, I will dismiss claims of "out-of-body experiences, past
> lives, post death, pre birth experiences" because this stuff has been
> explored by science and found to have no basis in fact.  That's not
> scientism, but plain ole science.  I don't view this as a clash
> between east and west, but a clash between those who don't wish to
> have their claims validated and those who do.  In this sense, eastern
> mystics are very much like western mystics.
>
> I'm also skeptical of this whole idea of "enlightenment."  It seems
> ill-defined and thus hard to demonstrate when someone has achieved
> it.  It would not surprise me that it has some features in common with
> such western spirtual gifts such as speaking in tongues, where people
> adopt a behavior seemingly because it is expected of them.
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