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1. Re: Topsider (Craig McCluskey)
2. Re: Topsider (David Brodbeck)
3. Re: GUNS AND THE REALITY (Steve MacSween)
4. Re: Something practical to combat high fuel prices (jgiels)
5. Re: mobile-1 1800 mile test (Harry ?M.)
6. Re: gun post (car only guys delete) (Harry ?M.)
7. Re: gun post (car only guys delete) (Harry ?M.)
8. Re: gun post (car only guys delete) (Harry ?M.)
9. Re: gun post (car only guys delete) (Harry ?M.)
10. Re: mobile-1 1800 mile test (Harry ?M.)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:17:20 -0600
From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Topsider
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:50:35 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$.
My great grand kids will be using it ;)
Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly
if
left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.
Craig
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:19:17 -0700
From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Topsider
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Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:50:35 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$.
My great grand kids will be using it ;)
Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly
if
left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.
It still works okay as a hand cleaner after it's separated, in my
experience. It's just less convenient because it's runnier.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:30:25 -0400
From: Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
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Sorry for your ex-partner. I have been shot at twice in my life, it
isn't a
whole lot of fun.
mac
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HI all
for the record I am a phila policeman
the story attached is my friend and ex partner policeman Terrence
Flomo
he was killed Friday morning by 2 jit bags
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:48:35 -0700
From: "jgiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices
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I don't think that I have ever bought fuel from either of these two
companies.. So you guys that are should really stop it! ..
Douglas..
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices
How is that going to work when we are in a peak oil chrisis?
andrew strasfogel wrote:
I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce
the
length)
WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES
Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
modern day Boston Tea Party?
THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE!!!!
We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!
Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.
Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May!
The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're
probably
thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to
take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
place.... not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the
pocketbook
by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
ourselves.
HOW?
Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price war.
Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices.
If
they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers. If each of us sends it to at least ten more
(30
x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
millions of drivers have been contacted!
Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to
you,
please pass this message on.
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
KEEP THEM DOWN.
THIS CAN REALLY WORK
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 06:57:39 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ?M.) )
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test
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Its not a hole it more like a seal, but its location eludes me. I was
hoping to slow it down as much as I can. I've used Mobile 1 in other
cars
that didn't leak so I was thinking about switching to see if it might
help
Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Harry ?M. wrote:
Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone
has
used Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is
does
it leak more or less after switching ?
Depends! If a hole is partially or entirely blocked by engine sludge,
then changing to a Mobil synthetic will likely cause the engine to
lead
MORE (this is rare). You probably REALLY don't want to own most such
an
engine however! Such an engine has been abused. If the leak is from a
slightly shrunken seal however, changing to Mobil synthetics will
usually reduce or even stop the leak as they have incorporated an
effective seal treatment into the additive package. This was NOT the
case many years ago when Mobil first introduced synthetics and the
switch from conventional oil of Mobil 1 allowed the seals to shrink.
That has NOT been a problem in at least a decade (maybe longer).
Marshall
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:01:53 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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Never understood what was so great about the glock. just because it
has a
polymer frame and it can shoot under water. So can my sig
JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40
At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it
Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.
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On 8/27/05, Harry ?M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JabbaHursty wrote:
can you believe that bond carried a .32?
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:03:02 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ?M.) )
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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exactly!
JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
federal
hydrashok
230grain
one of the deadliest and very reasonably priced
At 06:16 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
Thats cause he didn't know to use a .45 hollowpoint. Works everytime
Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
when putting down cows, you;re supposed to use a .22
between the eyes and above a bit. My freind throught
he'd be smart and use a .45. Cow fell down and got
back up and stared at him. Used a .22, down it went,
and down it stayed.
.45 round is SLOW.
Christopher
--- JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
9mm is for euro girlie men. ?.45 for real americans
At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side
arm and a nickel
plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm. ?The .45
was mostly on the
outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to
stay centered for most
of the clip. ?Then again, if there were a bear
getting within 50 yards,
I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I
would need is one bullet
to actually make contact.
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM,
JabbaHursty wrote:
ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this
shallow -- ?Kleb has a
.44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull
so i can have the
biggest handgun in the kingdom
pretty sick, huh?
will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of
smith & wesson?
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:12:08 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ?M.) )
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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I should correct myself, it was the M11 sig in .40 that the army MP's
use
and you are correct the hydrashok in 230 grain is what I use in my
Kimber
.45 Thats why in my army days Ma Deuce was my best friend
JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
230 grain federal hydrashok .45ACP is what I'm betting on.
At 04:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
Higher velocity maybe, but if you need to use one in self defense
they are totally worthless. I totally refused to carry the M9 and
went with the M23 sig in .40 You run into someone messed up on drugs
and the only thing a 9mm is going to do is p*ss them off. Two .45s
slugs to the chest is going to knock them on their a$$
Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher
velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm
simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the
.45.
.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but
it also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some
sort of recoil reducing device.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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9mm is for euro girlie men. ?.45 for real americans
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:19:54 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ?M.) )
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
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The FBI, DEA, US Marshal and certain other federal agencies carry sig
or
glock in .40 or .45 It seems the 9mm wasn't enough knock down power
for
them. Considering the M1911 carried us through 2 world wars including
Korea
and Viet-Nam. Why mess with a good thing, they say it was because the
M9
was lighter and the soldier could handle more ammo.
JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
i can't ?really fully grasp why the military changed from such a
completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911. ?i'm told it was
cost savings. ?i also suspect that the influx of women into the
military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not
be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the
9 is more comfortable to shoot)
also of interest is that units allowed to choose their own weapon do
not choose 9s. ?outside of NYPD, i can't think of any major force in
law enforcement using 9mm. ? i suppose the FBI is simply
arithmetically challenged as well
At 04:30 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
I have to agree with you there Gary, I was in the army in the 80's
when they switched to the M9 Beretta from the M1911 45. The only
good thing about the M9 was capacity and weight. No knock down power
and random problems with broken slides and jamming. ?You get hit by
a .45 slug, you darn well knew it.
JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
9mm is for euro girlie men. ?.45 for real americans
At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side arm and a
nickel
plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm. ?The .45 was mostly on the
outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to stay centered for
most
of the clip. ?Then again, if there were a bear getting within 50
yards,
I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I would need is one
bullet
to actually make contact.
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:
ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow -- ?Kleb
has
a
.44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the
biggest handgun in the kingdom
pretty sick, huh?
will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of smith & wesson?
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:26:15 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harry ?M.) )
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test
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Since the leak has eluded my many attempts to locate it, I only have
ideas
as to what it could be. Its either a cam tensioner seal or the cam
seal
itself. BTW, its not on my benz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The answer of course is it depends.
This is the way it was explained to me. Using dino oil for 10-20-30
years
leaves behind sludge. The sludge froms in front of mating serfaces and
allowes gaskets to dry out.
It used to be adding synthetic, that had so many more "cleaners" and
was
more fuild would clean out the sludge, and since the gasket was dried
out,
would seap through and show up as a leak.
Mobile-1, and others, have "fixed" the situation, by adding "gasket
rejouvanators" that "rehydrate" gaskets. Some have noticed that oils
leaks
going away after adding synthetics.
Now if you don't have leaks, and sludge is blocking off a large leak
then
you may notice a new leak..
Good luck.
George
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Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone
has
used
Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is
does it
leak
more or less after switching ?
Peter Frederick wrote:
Snort!
You may not be old enough to remember the "unofficial" test
reported
by
a chief engineer at Ford in the early 70's when Mobil first started
selling Mobil 1.
Seems Mobil had sent for some for engine testing "when they got
around
to it" and it got stashed in the back room. During an engine
endurance
test (with on the fly oil changes), the engineering department ran
short of the oil being tested and called the chief -- no oil, have
to
cancel the endurance (testing to destruction) test. He said "use
that
weird stuff Mobil sent us til Monday when we get the right oil" --
and
all the wear stopped in the engines while the Mobil product was in
use
(it wasn't Mobil one, but an earlier similar formulation.
This convinced the chief engineer that Mobil was onto something,
and
since he had just had a new company car, a fourdoor Continental,
delivered, he had the Mobil oil put in and "tested" for on the road
use
by NEVER changing it -- new filter every 10,000 miles and level
maintained only.
At about 125,000 miles he stared to get nervous and had the engine
torn
down, to discover essentiall NO wear -- most parts were
indisinguishable from new. Remember, this was about 1966 or so,
when
both oil and gasoline weren't anywhere near what they are now.
The article was in Popular Mechanics or a similar magazine I read
in
High School -- I graduated in 1974.
Mobil 1 and similar synthetic oils are vastly better lubricants
than
mineral based oils (and are required for use in jet engines --
Amsoil
started out as re-packaged military spec oil for jet engines -- in
fact, using mineral oil in a jet engine will quickly kill it from
sludge buildup.
The only drawback is cost, and if you run synthetic oil 6000 miles
between changes rather than 3000 for dino, even that disadvantage
goes
away. Note that dino oil , of any type, should NOT be run more than
3000 miles between changes. By that milage it is usually saturated
with water, the detergent qualities are starting to decline, and
the
viscosity will start to change. All borne out by both oil analysis
(try it, you'll see) and both my personal and other people's
results
--
we ran a 1992 Chevy box van, V6 engine, for 325,000 miles without
ANY
engine work other than a water pump or two by changing the oil at
Speedy Oiler every 3000 miles. Not the hardiest engine, by far,
and it
eventually got so low on compression it wouldn't start at all
without
ether, but hey, 300,000 miles on detroit iron!
A friend of mine has a Chevy Blazer of similar vintage and 250,000
miles, still runs fine with a bit of blue smoke on startup (valve
guides probably), has always changed the oil every 3000 miles.
Peter
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