Here's a data point. Number 3 child just got a raise at the car dealership where she works in CA. But with her increased income, she is no longer eligible for MediCal and the pay increase is not enough to cover premiums for the group medical plan where she works. IMHO, she NEEDS to continue medical coverage so I am subsidizing her until she gets another raise and is at least even with before. But the math in this case says to turn down the raise or seek some other compensation, like fewer hours. I'm really glad she had MediCal because she really needed it on several occasions. But this kind of setup creates some serious negative incentives for working and it's not good for the US.
Scott Ritchey -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:00 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: 'James Samuelson' Subject: [MBZ] Was OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin,now Our Entitlement Culture The issue is not math, the issue is a general lack of willingness to work. They would rather sit in front of the tube with their bud-lite & chips than go out & get a second job or an education to better themselves. Now, I have no problem with the Earned Income Credit program in principal. Kaleb's family probably qualifies because of the number of children they now have, but Kaleb works! He has a day job & he peddles used Mercedes parts on the side! My issue is that, like the family members I mentioned in my example, the plan enables laziness & builds an entitlement culture! Both families I mentioned were fully capable of working extra hours & making much more than they netted with EIC but they chose not to. And now they have trained their children to do the same thing. In other words, the EIC program has fostered a second generation who would rather suck dollars out of the system than go to work. The issue is one of culture and I'm afraid we are building a even larger entitlement culture with many millions of hands reaching out to the Federal Government for money. This is the exact reason I am not voting for Obama. His entire career has been composed of programs designed to help the poor by "stealing from the rich". And I'm sure that to some percentage, his programs have been a great success, but at what cost to our society? Do we need more Government handouts? Do we need to tax the rich & give to the poor & create an even larger entitlement culture than we have now? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin They don't do math very well, do they -- they'd be far better off working in a better job than keeping the earned income credit. Same with TANF, etc. I place the blame on the parents who didn't value a good education. No, it's not the schools fault - it's the parents. > But the damage runs even deeper & I have proof. Years ago, two of my > Sister in'laws & their families refused to improve their financial > position by finding better paying jobs for fear of loosing their Earned > Incom Credit. When the kids aged out & moved on, they lost their Earned > Income Credit & both families were very bitter about the loss - they > believed and still believe that the Government owed it to them. > > Now the children of both families are having babies & are doing the > exact same thing! To-date 3 nieces & 1 nephew belonging to these two > families qualify & draw and when I pose the "do you want to find a > better job" question to them, I get the same response I got from their > parents! > > So, who's for weath redistribution in this country? Not Me!!!!!!! > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1732 - Release Date: 10/18/2008 6:01 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
