From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:34 PM
The Chevette was a retired British productl -- when it
stopped selling in Britain, GM shipped the tooling to the US
and built it here.
Peter
On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:04 PM, R A Bennell wrote:
Maybe, but . . . do you remember the early Japanese
cars?
I had relatives that bought Datsun 510's. Nice
engine and tranny etc but no body. One of my cousins was
teasing an
uncle about how small and light his car was. Grabbed
the front fender and tried to lift the car. Bent the fender!
I recall very rusty Toyotas running around that were
not very old. Their early cars had really ugly interiors too
with wrinkled plastic floor mats instead of carpet.
They made good engines but not much else in those days.
On the other hand, the Chevette was hardly an exciting
car, but if you took care of it, I don't know if you
could
wear it out. Crappy but cheap and reliable.
For whatever reason people like Consumer Reports
always has nothing but good things to say about Honda and
Toyota
etc and almost nothing good to say about domestic
vehicles. They love the Tundra and hate the F150. I like my
F150's and have no desire to have a Toyota truck.
I have had a couple and they were no better than the
domestic
stuff and more expensive to repair. I still have my 95
4Runner but the body is so rusty I don't know if I can
fix
it and no one else could licence it as it is for
safety reasons. We had a Toyota Avalon and although it was a
nice
car, it certainly had its share of issues and Toyota
did not stand behind it. I could have bought a domestic for
less money and probably should have.
I sometimes wonder if people have been brainwashed
over the years to believe that Asian cars are wonderful and
US
cars are garbage by the auto media.
There is also a constant media drivel objecting to
SUV's. It makes no sense to me. They are wonderful
"utility"
vehicles. That is why people buy them. They are for
the most part small 4 wheel drive trucks that replaced the
family station wagon as a vehicle that could do it all
- haul people or goods or tow a boat or a trailer etc. I
don't want a Prius. It wouldn't do me much
good. I don't commute far in the city and I need
something capable of
hauling on the highway. A Volt won't work either.
So, count me as unconvinced despite the fact that we
just bought a Honda Accord to replace the Avalon.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Allan Streib
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cerberus wants money back
"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
The issue is not quality or cost but America's
perception of small
American cars.
For example, when GM & Toyota manufactured
cars in the US as a joint
venture, the Toyotas had consistently higher
reviews and reported less
warranty issues. But the two product lines were
the exact same cars,
manufactured by the exact same workers, with the
exact same parts. The
only difference was the trim package.
Don't forget that Detroit's first entries into
the small car market were
abysmal. Remember the Chevette? The Vega? The
Pinto? The Gremlin?
These forever after tainted the public's opinion
of Detroit's ability to
build a good small cars, and also cemented the opinion
that import small
cars were good.
Allan
--
1983 300D
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