Absolutely right. windtower monkeys will go the same route, but for
now, they pay well.
And speaking of deaths, they were letting any fool run cranes up
until the construction market went down. The number of crane
collapses/accidents this spring was unreal.
At 04:06 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote:
I would agree with the IT comments, however, the windmill thing, if
it gets going, will probably end up much like the telecom (cellular)
business has. For example:
10 years ago the tower people were few and far between. Those that
were in the business were very well paid and respected. As the cell
phone business expanded, and everybody and their brother started
getting into site development, they started hiring minimum wagers to
do "tower monkey" work, as it's now known. The guys who were truly
experts in their field and very well compensated saw their jobs and
livelihoods go away to cheap labor,
This is even better represented by the number of injuries and deaths
in the business - I think either Verizon or ATT suspended all tower
operations earlier this year because of the huge increase in deaths
that had taken place just this year.
Dan
--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com> wrote:
> From: Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 2:25 PM
> Enrollments are down primarily
> because of the way IT folks were
> treated in 2000 to 2005. even children
> learn if they see their
> parents get burned on a hot stove. Dumbsizing
> is still
> dumb. Nobody wants to call dell or M$ tech support
> cause all you get
> is someone in india who can't help with the problem.
> In the case if
> M$ it takes 2 days and you pay $200 to find out they
> can't/won't help
>
> Plus, all the career counselors told kids to stay away from
> IT
> because of the way IT folk were treated from 2000 to 2005.
>
> There is one way to attract plenty of applicants to any
> job. Offer
> pay that is better than other opportunities. That is
> what the
> windmill tower folks are doing now. You have to
> climb, freeze your
> butt off and travel to bumf*** ND, NE or whereever, but
> because the
> pay is good, people will do it.
>
> Companies who want to find good IT people can pay more or
> guarantee
> they won't lay off the it folks and outsource.
>
> At 11:32 AM 12/20/2008, you wrote:
> >I think there are plenty of people around for IT work,
> but they got
> >tired of getting whacked and imports coming in cheaper
> to take their
> >jobs, and a lot of off-shoring to India, and other
> >outsourcing. That is why enrollments are way
> down, smart kids don't
> >see as big a future as they did a few years ago.
> >
> >--R
> >
> >OK Don wrote:
> >>Yes - the IT industry has to import help because
> there aren't enough
> >>trained people here. Enrollment in computer science
> programs is way
> >>down. These aren't low paying jobs either.
> >>
> >>On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Scott Ritchey
> <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Contrary to popular "wisdom", there is plenty
> of work in the US too. It's
> >>>just that po native born 'mericans think they
> are too good for those sorts
> >>>of jobs. And this includes everything
> from picking crops to being doctors.
> >>>
> >>>Scott
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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