I'm late to this one I know but I'd vote for the block heater. Its no where near as cold in MA as you see but at -20F 40 minutes on the block heater has always been sufficient to get my 240D to start which is good because I use a 110ah battery to power the blockheater... -Curt '83 240D "Hammie" 248kmi ________________________ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:34:16 -0500 From: Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Opinions? Block heater vs. in-line coolant circulating heater for an OM616 or 617? To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
The question is in the subject line.... Actually there is another option too: local VW shop sells VW accessory oil pan heaters that are paper thin and glued to the bottom of the pan (after thorough cleaning, of course) with a special paste. Cost for this is about the same as the block heater. No one locally seems to sell the circulating pump (plumbs into the lower rad hose) anymore, I keep getting told to go see an equipment or truck dealer. DieselGiant.com sells them customized, already plumbed into the correct lower hose for your Mercedes, for about $85. I have one OM616 and one OM617 to deal with. Thx Mac Aylmer, Quebec '60 220s / '82 240d (x2) / '82 300sd --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 21 18:49:42 2005 Received: from bay103-f8.bay103.hotmail.com ([65.54.174.18] helo=hotmail.com) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EeGjW-0005nv-4Y for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:49:42 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:49:39 -0800 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:49:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.190.85.4] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Brian Chase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:49:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2005 18:49:39.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[5378C550:01C5EECC] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost to rebuild X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:49:43 -0000 Yeah, maybe I should stop thinking in such broad terms as a complete rebuild. I think I'll get the car to a mechanic (either Bud in Phx. - or the guy he sort of recommended down in Tsn.) and say okay, tell me what's wrong with it, and how much to fix it. If it didn't have to be pulled out and rebuilt or replaced that'd likely be a great savings. (Yes, it sounds like a used engine at $950 plus r&r would be cheaper than a rebuild) (And yes, it probably would be cheaper to find a different car, but I really don't want to - this one's pretty nice in my eyes). As to the lockup happening suddenly: It was more gradual, in that the starter would just run slowly, then it got slower as we kept trying to start it, and now we get nothing but a click. Yes, the batt., starter, ground strap were eliminated as culprits. Brian 83 240D I still believe. Jim wrote: Did your brother look inside the valve cover through the oil fill cap. I bet your timing chain broke and you have a broken camshaft and camshaft support bearings.. That is a typical locked up diesel. And it happens instantly with little or no warning. when the chain breaks, the cam gets out of time with the pistons and one of the pistons will come up and strike the valves which are sticking down. the valves are driven up with such force that it breaks the camshaft and support bearings. ... _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/