Peugeot is losing money.  They are in talks with GM about some sort of alliance.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120222/BUSINESS01/202220465/France-confirms-GM-Peugeot-Citroen-negotiating-possible-alliance
 

Gerry  
 
> On 26 February 2012 22:33, Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
>> wrote:
>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at what
>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it
>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that
>> here, and get over all this nonsense with electric scooters that are of
>> limited usefulness in all but very restricted circumstances.  Even a Pious
>> does not do much better than that, and probably not as good in highway
>> driving.
>>
>> I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car
>> companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you
>> and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market.  If
>> someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy.
>>  But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better
>> alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon).
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 2/26/12 10:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>
>>> Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric
>>> car at that point, no mention of a fuel system.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from
>>> point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>> On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, "Allan Streib"<str...@cs.indiana.edu>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hans Neureiter<diese...@gmail.com>  writes:
>>>>
>>>>  For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
>>>>> before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
>>>>>
>>>> I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator
>>>> which drives the wheel motors.  It has a modest battery pack to recover
>>>> energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never
>>>> really intended to go far on batteries alone.  Is that correct?
>>>>
>>>>  Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
>>>>> battery.
>>>>>
>>>> Disappointing.  A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to
>>>> double that.
>>>>
>>>> Allan
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