Panhandling here is now a legal offense. Such aggressive actions are assault.
Arizona is now a Constitutional carry state which means any citizen [not otherwise unqualified] may carry the means of self defense openly or discretely. As the result of all the above, the number of such aggressive strong arm acts are greatly decreased. When approached, my normal response is to be appropriately neutral, while reaching for my Deputy Sheriff badge wallet. The following discussion usually takes a different end result than intended by the panhandler. The current state and local administration edict is one of diverting the panhandler to social services for assistance. I suggest that everyone use increased situational awareness, and look for opportunities to avoid such contacts as this case.. For example.. keeping the window closed and driving away would have given the protection of a well built Mercedes while putting down the window gave access to a person well versed on intimidation and predation. It appears he also had accomplices in this planned confrontation. [He planned it.. you didn't]. On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote: > You miss my point totally. > > The most important thing is to get away from the bad guy as easily and > quickly as possible. A couple of bucks in loose change sure beats a broken > arm etc. > Unfortunately, Wilton did not have any loose change with him. It might be > a good idea to keep a bit of change in the ashtray etc. > If he had said to the fellow, "hey, let go of my hand and I will see what > I can find for you" the guy probably would have let go. At the very least, > if Wilton knew he had no change, he could have raised the window up and > said, sorry, I don't have any. > > I had a client who visited many places in this world. He said he liked to > walk about all over and he always had his cash secured in a money belt and > always had a bit in his pocket so that he had something to offer if he was > accosted by some low life who might get real mad if he did not get some > money. He said he did not want to end up dead over $20. > > It rubs you the wrong way to be robbed but for the most part, cooperation > is the safest way out unless you happen to be "dirty Harry". > > > > On 23/06/2014 12:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> By giving the guy money you're teaching him that his tactics work and >> setting up the next citizen for the same or even more aggressive treatment. >> The molycoddling of the criminal element is what drove crime in the '60s >> and '70s. Heavy policing brought it down in the '80s. If you tolerate bad >> behavior it will induce more bad behavior. >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:03:07 -0500 >> From: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> >> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Local tale - Panhanding at Sam's >> Message-ID: <53a85dcb.4090...@bennell.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> Don't you folks normally say, that you never show the gun unless you >> intend to use it? >> I would think this was hardly a life and death issue such that you want >> to start shooting in the parking lot. >> You don't know if the fellow had a gun too. That might have turned out >> badly. >> >> I also think it a poor idea to use the vehicle as a weapon unless you >> have to. First of all, he might have broken your arm while you were >> trying to get away from him, and secondly, you might end up in a legal >> battle of one sort or another. You don't want to spend resources on a >> criminal defence and you certainly don't want to spend money on a civil >> case if he sues you for injuries sustained when you run over him. >> >> I still say, keep a bit of loose change ready to hand over and get rid >> of him cheap and easy, and then complain about the matter after the fact. >> >> Randy >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. 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