Bike or motor scooter in the rain or snow?
The fact is that most people (I almost wrote most Americans but I'd think we
have longer commutes than most) don't travel more than 20 miles each day. In LA
its way less since 20 miles can be a 2 hour commute. For those folks an
electric car fits the bill nicely and in fact an internal combustion engine for
them is living in "severe duty" because the engine never warms up.
Is it perfect in every occasion? No of course not but remember for each one of
THEM driving one of THOSE there is more oil left over for YOU to drive one of
YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for electric cars...
-Curt
From: Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
I mean come on now let's face it, the leaf is a worthless POS with no range!
Pointless as far as I can see. If I need to get around urban traffic at stop
and go pace without AC I might as well ride a bike or motor scooter.
Leave it to Japan to create another cutesy turd.
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> On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have freeways.
> Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long
> freeways that require high speed travel. While you may live and work in a
> totally urban environment with all needs within near walking distance.. a
> large segment of this country does not.
>
> This Leaf should have never been sold for use in this city, so you are
> correct, "it doesn't work for me" and "it didn't work for the leasor"
> either.. not here, where summertime temps routinely reach over 110 and AC
> is required for survival. The design power supply will run AC nicely.. but
> only give you about 40 miles of range, if you keep speeds below 40 MPH.
>
> Sorry for your burn.. but, here, it doesn't work.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> It burns me when people say something is "bad" when using it outside of
>> the design specification. The Leaf is a city car, not a highway car. I'm
>> sure you know that the force required to move something increases
>> geometrically with an exponential increase in speed.
>> The place where an electric car excels is when you sit in traffic. If the
>> AC/heat/lights aren't on the electric car uses basically no energy at all
>> or just the little.
>> So its not that its a bad car, its a bad car for YOU. Where your diesel
>> pickup is a bad vehicle for people who live in the city, it uses too much
>> fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard to
>> park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design
>> parameters.
>> -Curt
>>
>> From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
>>
>> No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffic
>> speed and watched the "fuel" gage drop like a rock at 70 mph...
>>
>> Unlike eastern cities, this city covers more land mass than New Jersey, so
>> getting somewhere is measured in hours of travel rather than miles, often.
>>
>> If I lived somewhere that only required transport to the train station or
>> subway for the commute to work.. then my decision would, I suppose, be to
>> choose between suicide or driving a Leaf. Thankfully, I don't have to make
>> either choice. I have free use of the Leaf for next 2 months because I have
>> ample space to park it, and my friend who owns the lease would turn it in
>> early if he could without incurring penalty, which he can't.
>>
>> Frankly, it is not a practical car in this state. I will plug it in to keep
>> the batteries charged and it will now set. I'm done with the hassle of it
>> after this one excursion. My time has more value than waiting for it to
>> charge up so I can be left dead on the destination end of the next trip.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Grant - did you have the AC or heater running by any chance?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I drove a Leaf last fall when we were looking at pickup trucks. The kid
>>>> didn't miss a beat when I went from driving a Nissan Titan to the Leaf.
>>>> As a car I enjoyed it, it was reasonably quick and fairly quiet. Yes
>> its
>>>> ugly but its not really all that small compared to the real crapboxes
>>> like
>>>> the Versa.
>>>> I'm surprised to hear about 28 miles. We drove about 10 miles up a big
>>>> hill and back down made enough power that the car only showed about 1%
>>> drop
>>>> in capacity. I didn't thrash on it though I didn't drive it super
>>>> conservatively either and we ran the AC. The kid at the dealership
>> where
>>> we
>>>> tested has one and says he regularly gets around 80 miles, its rated
>> for
>>>> 110 I think.
>>>> 110v charging will always be very slow, 220v is of course much faster
>> but
>>>> more than twice as fast in practice I'm given to understand. The 440v
>>>> chargers are astounding, 0-80% in as little as 20 minutes.
>>>> A friend has an electric Fiat, she had to pay $3000 down on the lease
>> but
>>>> its $100/mo and California gives her a $2500 rebate. If I could get a
>>> deal
>>>> like that I'd be all over it, Angie only commutes about 10 miles each
>>> way...
>>>> -Curt
>>>> From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> To: Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: Park your Toyota Pious
>>>>
>>>> Anyone here have any interest in a Nissan Leaf? I was given one to
>> drive
>>>> for the next two months until the lease expires. 17,000 miles of silent
>>>> battery driving, all in town, since the effective range is about 80
>> miles
>>>> before either a tow or recharge.
>>>>
>>>> I made a quick trip to the airport two days ago, in freeway traffic at
>>>> 70mph, starting with a full charge and 28 miles later arrived at the
>>>> airport with a total of 8 miles available showing on the "remaining
>> fuel
>>>> meter" ... Put the car in my hanger and plugged it in to the available
>>> 110V
>>>> service and after only 18 hrs of charge on 110 it was back up to 85%
>>>> charge.. so I drove it home [house in town] on city streets only, no AC
>>> on,
>>>> no speed above 35 mph... arrived with a bit over 39% "charge
>>> remaining"....
>>>>
>>>> It is, I believe, the most expensive golf cart I've ever driven....
>> Like
>>> my
>>>> lawyer friend who owns the lease and got stuck twice on way to court
>>>> hearings because the summer heat killed the charge [you don't show up
>>> late
>>>> to court.. ever] I'm sure if I used it for anything but going to the
>>>> supermarket I will grow to hate it..
>>>>
>>>> On reflection.. I already do hate it.. It's even a special design ugly
>>> kind
>>>> of styling [to my eye anyway].
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter wrote:
>>>>>> Blind people hate Piouses
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet they also hate the Volt and also Tesla and Smart.
>>>>> mao
>>>>>
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