This stuff is cheap and it cleans carpets as good or better than anything I’ve ever used:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tuff-Stuff-Multi-Purpose-Foam-Cleaner-22-ounces-13146/16817397 Hose it down with this stuff, immediately go after it with a stiff plastic bristle scrub brush, and you’re done. -D > On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > Thanks. That’s awesome. Also it made my heart feel all warm and fuzzy to > re-read some of Herr Doktor’s emails. > The glow plugs tested perfect. > “Martha” is preoccupied with important family issues but I’m sure he will > have a good product that I should use on my carpet’s and on my MB Tex and on > my headliner. > We bought a new carpet cleaner last month and it has an attachment that I may > use on the carpets. I’d like to get them as clean as possible and then buy > some correct floor mats to fit on top. I think I may monkey around with the > sunroof just enough to see if I can get it to slide open even with the broken > pop-up feature. Or, like Wilton suggests, leave itclosed. On the spectrum of > DYI-Er I’m probably about in the middle. Clearly this sounds like something > that a more upper echelon DYI er would do. > > Bob R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Craig via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 11:27:12 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Replaced the glow plug relay ... >> >> Did that fix the problem? How did the glow plugs turn out? >> >> >>> ... I’m going to replace the front struts and the upper mounts. >> >> Have those been showing signs of problems? >> >> >>> ... on Monday I intend to clean the carpets and really really clean the >>> cabin. >> >> Maybe I should bring ours by ... :-) >> >> What do you use to clean carpets? >> >> >>> The other random thing I’ll have to start thinking about is the >>> sunroof. The PO said that one of the lifting arms is broken. This looks >>> to be obvious when you try to raise the roof. One side starts to come >>> up on the other side does not move. I’m thinking that Repair may not be >>> too fun. >> >> From the past emails on the subject (listed below), I'm thinking the same. >> >> >>> Has anyone done that one? >> >> Not I. You could follow Wilton's advice and leave it closed ... >> >> >>> I feel that I still have a lot to learn about W124s but so far so good. >> >> I know that feeling! >> >> >> Craig >> >> ======================================================================= >> >> From: tom savage <tesav...@gmail.com> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: Sunroof Repair >> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:54:27 -0500 >> >> >> Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: >>> This sunroof discussion is helpful as well as scary. I really like the >>> tilt feature and use it almost exclusively. Does anyone know if the >>> slide function works when the tilt arm breaks? Will it close when it >>> breaks? Thanks, >>> Dwight >> >> Dunno, depends on it's position when it breaks, I guess. There is a >> special tool to manually close the sunroof should it break. Below is an >> old post on the subject. For this reason, I've never used the tilt >> feature on any of my cars so equipped. >> >> Tom >> >> >> [MB] sunroof not working on 126 (300 SDL) >> Bill Brandt wlb at lanset.com >> Wed Feb 20 18:28:04 MST 2002 >> >> I might add to what Richard has said - I recently had to have my 86 300E >> sunroof repaired and I remember enough from the list to not even consider >> trying to "fix it" myself - I took it to a good independent who has done >> several dozen of these and here is the summary of what I learned: >> >> 1. The pop up function is what breaks these sunroofs. The mechanism >> (frame) that stops the roof is basically pot metal (as original) and when >> you hit the tilt function there is no kill switch to stop the >> motor/pressure - and over the years this is what causes the breaks. >> >> 2. The newer parts are improved but still a compromise. >> >> 3. If you never use the tilt function your sunroof will last forever >> >> 4. If you try and fix it yourself, or continue to use it you will bend a >> tub that the cable is in between the headliner and roof and your repair >> bill goes up considerably. Worst case - they have to remove the headliner. >> >> 5. I got a $150 discount over the estimate for not making it worse once >> the symptoms developed... Sort of a "you didn't screw it up worse" >> discount ;-) >> >> 6. Ernie (Ernst) said that I can use the pop up function with the >> new/improved parts - just be aware that that as long as you hold the >> switch it is applying pressure. No cut off once the stop is reached. >> >> Personally I wish they hadn't come out with this "pop up" feature - but >> there you have it... >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> Mike Ohlman said: >> >> "any words of wisdom on why the sunroof quit working on my 87 300 SDL? >> The pop up function will work, but when you try to open it in the normal >> fashion the passenger side drops down but the drivers side stays fully up. >> If you keep holding the switch the fuse will blow. Any BTDT?" >> >> Good evening, Mike -- >> >> Check the archives. I posted a long post about it several years ago after >> my wrestling match. Don't remember what all I said, but the gist was: >> "the learning curve is way to high to scale for a DIYer and the benefits >> (one sunroof repair every 15 years) are not worth the ascent." Oh yeah, >> this applies only to post-86 MBs (the sliding-only tops are a POC (piece >> of cake) compared to the Rube Goldberg-inspired pop-up sunroofs). A tip >> while we're on the subject: to ensure longevity of post-86s, manuall >> assist the rear when you utilize the pop-up feature. Stop the switch >> immediately when it is raised up. Same going down. Same front, same >> rear. They are "tender" and have a definite length of life. >> >> Richard Easley >> Waco, Texas >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Mitch Haley <m...@voyager.net> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: Sunroof Repair >> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:27:16 -0400 >> >> tom savage wrote: >>> >>> 3. If you never use the tilt function your sunroof will last forever >> >> Thanks for that repost, Tom. It was written about a month before I >> found MBZ.org. It's clear that I never understood the tilting roof, >> but I think I do now. You can pop the back edge of the S/R panel up, >> or you can retract it into the headliner. For some reason I assumed >> that it popped up and then if you opened it fully, it would slide >> above the roof. >> >> It also sounds like you can preserve the tilt-up roof if you don't >> tilt it up all the way, or if you find a way to put a microswitch >> on the tilt mechanism to limit travel? >> >> Mitch. >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: Sunroof Repair >> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:25:34 -0500 >> >> The sunroof becomes immobile when the lifting angles break. >> >> The new ones are much more robust, but you still need to keep the >> sunroof well lubricated with MB sunroof paste (and nothing else). >> >> Peter >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: [MBZ] tilt sunroof repair >> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:06:20 -0500 >> >> Herr Doktor Booth! >> >> Now you tell me ordinary mortals can't work on a tilt sunroof! I >> just took a 124 roof all apart, replaced the cable and explored how >> it all was put together. While I was in there, I touched up the >> paint around the hole in the roof where it looked like someone had >> pried the roof up with screwdrivers. I had a little trouble getting >> the headliner panel back in place on the lift sliders, but the second >> try, I got both sides. It took a couple of tries loosening and >> tightening the nuts that hold the lid to the tilt-frame to get it to >> open and close right. When it is put down from the tilt-up position, >> it goes past level if you hold the switch down. I have just learned >> to hold the switch down until it is closed, but no more. I tried to >> figger out an adjustment for that, but never did. At least I can >> close it now during a rainstorm! The forward-back operations of the >> switch work fine. While I had the headliner panel out, I cleaned it >> also, because it had a lot of fingerprints on it. >> >> I guess I am lucky i never tried to read the sunroof stuff on the >> CD. Since I never worked on a sunroof before, I was not too sure >> about tackling this one. I guess I'd call myself an advanced DIY, >> since I have done a few engines and a trans and most other stuff on >> older cars. I did not quite figure out how the lift slides were >> removed and replaced if they were broken. I tried to figure out how >> to change the springs on the wind deflector, but gave up after a >> while, because I was running out of time. >> >> Joe, have you ever done that job? I got the trim strip off the >> front, but didn't figure out the secret of getting the wind deflector >> out enough to change the springs. and one of the "springs" MB sent >> me (via Rusty) was a rubber bumper! Part# looked right, and the >> description was "spring" but it was a rubber bumper about 3/4 inch >> dia in the bag. I got it apart enough to determine the spring they >> sent, was ok anyway. >> >> Someone on the list wrote about changing the slides with the beefier >> new ones. Was it Joe Knight? So, I figured I could probably figure >> out how to replace the cable, and clean and lube the sunroof at least. >> >> Loren >> Lotsa Benzes >> >> >> At 10:13 AM 6/3/2007, you wrote: >>> The old sliding roof was well within the ability of the average DIYer to >>> maintain. It takes a VERY advanced DIYer or very knowledgeable pro to >>> maintain the tilt roof. Most people will NOT succeed by reading the >>> manual and tacking most problems with the tilt roof. >>> >>> Marshall >>> -- >>> Marshall Booth Ph.D. >>> Ass't Prof. (ret.) >>> Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine >>> mbo...@pitt.edu >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Marshall Booth <mboo...@pitt.edu> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] tilt sunroof repair >> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:28:48 -0400 >> >> An advanced DIYer (you and Joe ARE that) can do it and often make only a >> few or no mistakes the first time. Mere mortals are MUCH more likely to >> turn a small problem into a BIG problem. >> >> Marshall >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Zeitgeist <gruenge...@gmail.com> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tilt sunroof repair >> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:57:10 -0700 >> >> Dave M. has a write-up about DIY 124 sunroof repair on Rusty's forum. >> http://www.buymbparts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=656 >> http://www.124performance.com/images/W124_sunroof/ >> >> I desperately need to open mine up and at least R&R the NFG cable. >> >> Loren, if you have the time, could you post a list of part #s and prices >> for all the items required to do a proper service? >> >> TIA >> >> Casey >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Loren Faeth <lfa...@leadingchange.com> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tilt sunroof repair >> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:17:03 -0500 >> >> All you need is gleitpase and the cable. about $80 or 90 from rusty. >> Tell him what you need, he will look up the numbers. the cable he sent >> me is what is described as the old style in Dave's photos. I had to pry >> the attachment clip off the old cable and squeeze it back on the new (old >> style) cable. >> >> The other place where I departed from Dave's writeup and the book >> procedure, is that I unbolted the 2 front guides and then was able to >> wiggle the lid out without removing the screws from the rails. With the >> lid out, it is easy enough to remove the rails for reinstallation. Before >> I put the roof back in, I put the front guides in the roof, and lined >> them up with the marks from the bolt heads to get the guides in the same >> position. With a NFG cable, this made the disassembly much easier. The >> cable on mine had a loop above the guide. I was afraid to move it back >> anymore for fear I could not get it back forward to get the lid off. >> >> Pulling the old cable out was not too tough on mine. Getting the new >> cable in was a bit of a trick. it seemed to catch or hang up at various >> spots. >> >> Changing the cable is not too bad. Once you have done it, you will be >> able to do it much faster the next time. >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: tilt sunroof repair >> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:20:29 -0500 >> >> Closed position is set at the motor in the trunk. >> >> The usual problem with these is broken lift angles, which are more >> trouble. >> >> Peter >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Dave Cavner <w123wa...@gmail.com> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] sunroof not powering open? - W123 >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 12:24:05 -0700 >> >> e - >> >> I'd just be guessing what is wrong from this distance, but I've posted a >> couple links below. Sunroof problems have been discussed to death on many >> of the MB web forums. I'm sure there is good info in this list archive >> too but I've never been as successful targeting specifics here as I have >> elsewhere. >> >> Cable/ motor repair: >> http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/W123SunRoofRepair >> >> Where to locate the motor so you can check the gear yourself and how to >> manually operate the roof when the motor goes.: >> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1616247-w123-power-sunroof-problems.html >> >> Section 77 of the MB factory manual is very helpful in understanding the >> what, where and how of the sliding roof assembly. >> >> Dave >> '82 240D (3 pedal), '84 300TD (Euro), '85 300TD (Cali) >> >> >>> hi all! >>> >>> seems the sunroof in our 300D isn't wanting to open; there's a >>> 'click' audible from the front edge (that sounds like it might be a >>> latch?) when we hit the switch, and if it's really quiet we can hear >>> what sounds like what i imagine might be the cable shifting slightly in >>> its track from along the left rear area of the roof. >>> >>> local indy MBZ guy took a quick look at it and suspects that the >>> fiber gear in the motor might be stripped, but says he can't source >>> that independent of the motor, and the motors are only available to him >>> from through the dealer for several hundred dollars. >>> >>> i know this isn't something everyone cares about, but we miss it >>> greatly. here in California, our sunroof gets enjoyed pretty much any >>> time we're below about 40MPH and it's not raining. we (and our dog) >>> would very much like it back. >>> >>> any tips, hints, links or clues to share that might help us get >>> this operational again? the only thing i turned up in a quick Google >>> search that looked promising was a kit and book from Mercedes Source, >>> and i wanted to check with the collective wisdom of the group to see if >>> there might be something else that i should look into first, or as well. >>> >>> thanks in advance for your help! >>> >>> >>> cheers! >>> e >> >> ------------ >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
