My Father, who served in the Legislature for nearly 20 years used to say,
"You cannot legislate common sense."  Now, it seems he was wise.

We have people in Congress that are to crazy to be in public without
restraints and escort, passing laws about what and how crazy people are to
be treated...


On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Actually during the Ronnie Rayguns administration the Powers That Be were
> convinced that involuntarily housing the mentally-ill violated their civil
> rights; hence, the facilities were shut down and the patients were allowed
> to make their own (usually bad) choices, which were most generally bad
> given their conditions. Never saw that coming...
>
> This has created a situation now where there are few options for taking
> care of people with severe mental illness (recognizing that the old methods
> were often not particularly humane).
>
> --FT
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>
> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is so sad.   Glad we got to see seattle in 1993, when we shipped
> cars there to avoid lost angels.    Unfortunately, I'd guess Port of LA may
> now be safer to pick up a car in, or to ship one out.  What we saw in May
> was certainly not scary.   That was the san pedro part, to see the BB-61.
>  A few homeless and panhandlers out at night, but nothing scary.
> >
> >
> > So tell me:  Up until 1970 or so, we had county homes or county farms.
> The indigent and mildly nutty were housed there in exchange for whatever
> help they could lend to maintaining the place. (growing food, work in the
> kitchen, building, or grounds)   The true nut cases were in mental
> institutes, with 3 hots and a cot.   We were told that was "cruel." and
> they should be turned out into the streets by the so-cal justus
> war-eoreiors.
> >
> > Is it more cruel to keep indigents housed, fed, clothed, washed and
> employed (to some extent) or to have them wandering the streets panhandling
> and using whatever other means they come up with?
> > Is it more cruel to keep nutcases housed, fed and clothed and washed
> etc, or to have them wandering the streets, and assaulting whoever they
> feel like assaulting?
> >
> > Which of these choices is more cruel to the taxpayers?
> >
> >
> >> Clay via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> February 3, 2020 at 9:43 PM
> >> The homeless and insane are so bad, that fire fighters will not respond
> to some addresses without full police escorts. Usual turn out is four
> cruisers per engine because so many first responders were being injured.
> >>
> >> Not sure if it made national news, but last week there was a shoot out
> on a downtown street corner (outside McD) Three or four shooters (teens of
> color) firing into a crowd, killed a few people, injured many more. Chronic
> drug dealing and people in deep crisis in that area is so bad that
> businesses are closing and moving out because their employees are to scared
> to come to work.
> >>
> >> That $16 is not even enough to be thought of as hazard pay. My youngest
> boy was making $16 for his 2018 summer job. Scared the piss out of him so
> bad to work in town that he chose to work in ANC for $8.85/hr instead.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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