Yeah we recently drove to South Dakota and back and by the end of 2800 miles of driving and camping in 116 degree weather we had a pretty good drill for how to get through a gas station, tank up, get snacks, use toilets and fuel pumps without getting or hopefully giving anyone covid 19. More of a process than I had thought about.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 10:04 AM G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The whole issue of masks, wearing them, or not wearing them, falls IMHO in > the same category as carring a condom in your wallet all the way through > highschool... The chances of actually putting it to use were slim to > impossible, but, for 4 years, you carried one anyway.. just in case. > > I wear a mask, "just in case it might give me some edge of protection. I > also wear wrap around clear safety glasses as eye protection, since a known > infection vector is the eye tissue, and, where I am to be in possible > contact with anything touched by the unwashed public, 7 mil thick Nitrile > gloves [the tough and thick kind for mechanical work so they hold up. > > When I return home, I dispose of the gloves, wash my hands and face, rinse > the nasal passages and use mouthwash... then do a wipedown of the door > knobs, the vehicle [any place I came in contact with it after possible > exposure, ie, steering wheel, shift lever, turn lever, door controls,, etc > etc etc... using cleaning wipes. > > So far, no corona symptoms... is it a pain to do all that, sure... but > then, it was a pain to suit up and arm up in the military... I did it > anyway... glad I did.. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > A little perspective from some experts on mechanisms of spread: > > > > https://youtu.be/Cio3rh6ta3w > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:53 PM Karl Wittnebel <atypical...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Yes as previously mentioned, the evidence is not super high quality. > But > > > neither is the evidence suggesting they do not work. Unfortunately we > are > > > not given the luxury of debating the point in the absence of an > epidemic. > > > So decisions need to be made without perfect information. > > > > > > We can all speculate on why certain countries did better than others; > > > clearly there were large differences in how quickly the first cases > were > > > introduced and how many introductions there were before the disease was > > > detected in each place, as we have seen within our borders from region > to > > > region. > > > > > > Medication wise, so far steroids and remdesivir, among people requiring > > > oxygen or ventilators, are the only therapies with good supportive data > > > behind them. We are using both routinely. We lack proven effective > > > treatments for less symptomatic people to prevent them from becoming > ill. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks Karl, I took a quick look at the first three on your list. The > > >> first discusses the fluid flow of droplets from coughing and sneezing, > > and > > >> yes that is pretty much common sense that if one is coughing / > sneezing > > >> then wearing a mask is a good thing. No argument there. Even better, > > do > > >> what has always been recommended > > >> by medical professionals: Stay home when you are sick! > > >> > > >> The second paper relies on a lot of assumptions and estimates and > (here > > we > > >> go again) models to reach their conclusions. We all know how > dishonest > > >> researchers can manipulate the models (see global warming) to get the > > >> results we want. No thanks. > > >> > > >> The third paper is not yet peer reviewed but strongly recommends that > > >> countries that had their populations wear masks saw a large decrease > in > > >> the > > >> infection rate. However some countries that did not impose mask > wearing > > >> also did not suffer high infection rates. Hmmm, that is a curious bit > > of > > >> data, what could be going on there? My guess: this paper does not > > account > > >> for differences in medical treatment regimens (use of HCQ and > Budesonide > > >> and other treatments). I like this paper, but I think they need to > > re-run > > >> their models and take into account the factor of medical treatment. > > This > > >> one has promise for actually producing good science to support mask > > >> wearing > > >> (to be determined yet), and I like that they also take into account > > border > > >> closings (86% decrease in mortality rate when international travel was > > >> restricted) and testing / tracing (did not significantly reduce > > mortality > > >> rate). Obesity and an older population are also major factors in an > > >> increased mortality rate. > > >> > > >> So, are masks effective? I think they are, they certainly can reduce > > the > > >> infection rate. How effective, and how much liberty do we give away > in > > >> the > > >> interest of reducing the risk of living? I'd much rather that our > > elected > > >> representatives focus on providing the public with reliable > information > > on > > >> individual actions that will reduce the infection rate, promoting good > > >> hygiene practices, and making possible the medical treatments that are > > >> safe > > >> and effective. The use of bad models and the confusing and > > contradictory > > >> advice from "experts" has severely damaged the public's faith in > > >> government. Personally, if I become ill with this disease, I'll ask > my > > >> doctor about HCQ and Budesonide as treatment options. Until then, > life > > is > > >> worth living so let's get on with it. > > >> ------------- > > >> Max > > >> Charleston SC > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 11:05 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I think the imposition to liberty here is very minimal. It's not > like > > >> they > > >> > are bringing back the Stamp Act, or requiring vaccination. It's like > > >> > wearing a seatbelt or something. I will be happy not to wear the > masks > > >> but > > >> > we have some work to do as a society to get there. > > >> > > > >> > I can see how people with little direct exposure to this illness > might > > >> > think the risk is minimal. We are seeing these sorts of attitudes > > change > > >> > with increased disease prevalence in affected areas e.g. Texas. > > >> > > > >> > To Don's point, until the prevalence in your immediate area is below > > >> about > > >> > 1.5%, it's probably a good idea to do what you can. I have five > people > > >> in > > >> > house right now with it. One is a 43yo RN with a 7yo daughter who > > tested > > >> > positive a few days ago and was toughing it out at home but could > not > > >> > breathe well so came in satting 82%. She is doing OK on a few liters > > of > > >> > oxygen. Three are guys in their 50s and 60s with no predisposing > > >> > conditions. Two of them were intubated for about a month and still > > >> cannot > > >> > tell you the name of the building they are in. They will stage > > extended > > >> > recoveries but unclear if they will regain previous functional > levels. > > >> One > > >> > of them had several strokes and will be permanently severely > disabled. > > >> My > > >> > colleague in house this weekend rounded on 9. We have about 80 total > > in > > >> > hospital, 60 confirmed, 20 suspected. > > >> > > > >> > There are plenty of papers out there for anyone interested in masks. > > >> This > > >> > list is a good start: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1m-o_9N9Yq3cq7toP1-nZKtAHTIQ-Nqeqaj866sycl6w/mobilebasic > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 5:41 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
