Probably, given the outside temps and state of charge, the gas pressure going 
into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils from absorbing 
enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air).

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Kaleb Striplin <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question

Well I went out and checked it.  When I looked at in there was no frost on the 
coils that I could see in the center part.  I pulled the cover and sure enough 
it was blinking a low pressure lockout. With the side cover off I could see 
some frost on the outside of the coils, not a whole lot though.  I shorted the 
test pins to reset it and it kicked back on.  I shorted them again to force a 
defrost.  Defrost ran for about 5-10 minutes and once frost was clear it kicked 
back into heat mode.

Since replacing the defrost board with attached sensor last year, I have not 
had a problem sense.  Why the heck did it happen again?  I know it has a temp 
sensor for the coils.  Do these work by going into a defrost cycle on a timed 
basis if the temp sensor is below a certain temp?  Or do they sense the coils 
are freezing up and enter defrost when needed (not on a timed scheduled).

 From what I recall, some old systems did not have a temp sensor and just went 
into defrost every so often.  I think some systems sense when it needs to be 
done.  Others I think are still timed but only do it when temp is below a 
certain point.  This is a 2008 Rheem running on 410 so I am not sure.  If mine 
runs on a timer only when temp gets low maybe it is so cold that it simply did 
not reach its run time to defrost soon enough before it started frosting up, or 
perhaps it is sucking in blowing snow which caused it to frost up faster?

On 2/15/2021 9:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> It is now -3 outside, not sure how low it got last night. Anyway, heat 
> pump has been running pretty much non stop for the last few days with 
> the aux heat kicking on occasionally. Yesterday afternoon aux heat was 
> on quite a bit as it never got over 4 yesterday.  This morning when I 
> woke up outside unit was running as normal.  A little while later I 
> happen to look out and it is shut down. Normally when it goes into 
> defrost it will shut down for a moment then fire back up pretty quick.  
> It did not appear to be in a defrost cycle.  I had issues before where 
> the temp sensor on the coils was evidentially bad because when it got 
> below freezing it would seemingly randomly never enter defrost cycle 
> and would frost over, which would then put it in a low pressure 
> lockout. I would have to jump the pins on the board to reset it and 
> force a defrost then it would be fine again for a while.  Last year I 
> replaced the defrost board which has the temp sensor hard wired on it. 
> Never had a problem since.
>
> Anyway I was about to throw on a coat and go outside and pull the 
> cover and see if the board was flashing an error code and it started 
> back up.  It is now about an hour later and I notice the outside unit 
> is not running again.  I am not sure how long it has not been running 
> but I know its probably be at least 10-15 minutes.  Is there some sort 
> of reason at these low temps that the outside unit would shut itself 
> down for a period of time then fire back up?  Does the system 
> determine that it is so cold outside that the outside unit is not 
> producing any heat anyway and shuts itself down for a while?  I will 
> wait a little bit longer and see what happens then go out in the 
> blowing snow to pull the cover and check the board to see if its 
> blinking any codes.
>
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