Pure political genius.  Mortgage the yet unborn.  They can't complain from
the womb and the current crop of politicians will be gone before they can
vote.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Clay via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 7:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware

There is one shipper in AK that retrofit their fleet with massive LNG tanks.
They shuttle between WA and AK, as well as head out to HI in these boats.
It is the Green thing to do.  I wonder if they could swap over to H fuel at
a later date.

Euro rail is electric.  Not a small enough area to allow USA to do that.
Take too much copper, and the miscreants would be constantly ripping the
wires out.  

I was reading up on the energy disaster in UK this morning.  Big huzzahs for
the increase in plug in cars, while much rending of tunic over the increase
in home heating and electric costs.  Many energy companies went into
receivership when cost to get fuel outpaced revenues and customers got
tossed into another provider with jacked up pricing.  Elected leadership is
pondering giving away more money as well as reducing tax on energy in an
attempt to lower the curve of inflationary costs.  I tried to reconcile the
mass increase in energy cost (electric) with forcing plug in cars and
inability to provide power when consumers reduce NG use and increase plug in
heaters to balance their bills


Clay

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
<[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid would
be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in nuclear
weapons, so there is no interest.
> 
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46%
gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other stuff,
asphalt, ship fuel, etc.  If you eliminate the internal combustion
automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate diesel powered
semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel electric
locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other stuff I don't
care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline byproduct that will need
to be disposed of. This occured early in the pandemic, when trucks were on
the road, and cars weren't. Refineries were facing shut downs because of
lack of gasoline storage, and diesel was facing shortages. Crude oil was
negative for a while, because there was a lack of storage.
> 
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have consequences.
Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In urban areas, where
travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure. Visitors from other
countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the heartland and out west.
In rural America they make no sense.
> 
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the
remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal
transportation is ______ (fill in the blank).
> 
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
> 
> 
> Rick

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