Right on, I think many people misunderstand how jumpstarting works, with the marine battery and my 4ga jumper cables you put the cables on and wait a couple minutes, then spin 'er over and as long as the battery wasn't absolutely flat and its not -20F you'll be fine. One couple (ironically the people who abuse the remote starter) have borrowed the battery probably 15 times this year as I now absolutely refuse to go out jump their cars for them anymore. The first couple times I helped them I'd no sooner get the cables connected then they'd be in there hitting the key. Well hells bells let it charge for a second anyway... These are people who for some reason can't learn to turn the headlights off. Their apartment faces the parkinglot for cryin out loud! Some people's children. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:44:23 -0700 From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> I looked at these a couple years ago when I needed portable power to > run the block heater on my 240D. I came to the conclusion that they're > all too small to be much use unless you're just fighting a weakened > battery. Most were like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which isn't enough to start a diesel. Most of them don't have full-power 12V outputs, they're just tapping the field generator for you. If it were designed for full output at +12V it would be pretty strong. When jump starting, the donor battery is only doing part of the work, the majority of the starting energy is coming from the charge imparted to the formerly-dead battery. Unless you have some seriously oversized jumper cables. -- Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 16:28:33 2006 Received: from web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FuAzp-00072L-1L for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:28:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 27388 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 16:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [71.232.75.128] by web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:28:24 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: </pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:28:33 -0000 The interesting thing for me about the ethanol/biodiesel debate is the twofaced marketing speak from the oil industry. The oil industry would have you believe that our oil reserves will last forever. They'll site people in the'20s saying we were nearing peak oil and we'd run out within 10 years. They'll say that because people were wrong in the 20's they MUST be wrong now. Then they'll tell you how ethanol/biodiesel is energy negative and how theres absolutely no way it can ever be anything but and we should just give up on the idea since after all we're going to have plenty of oil to ride around in our 4mpg behemoths and keep our 4000 sqft McMansions at a solid 70f for all time using that clean burning absolutely safe, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain oil. On the other hand you get big AG like ADM and Cargill. Every year or so the oil industry gets investigated and minor fines levied. Every decade or so big AG gets investigated and MILLIONS of dollars in fines are actually paid out by Agribusiness. So interestingly we're moving from the oil industry whom we think is gouging us and in fact is on a relatively small scale to Agribusiness who has been GOUGING THE EVERLOVING SNOT out of us for something like 50 years now. To me its an awful lot like getting pecked to death by ducks. -Curt Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:02:30 -0500 From: Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gee, if those teensy weensy subsidies are all that would get paid to the corn folks, we'd better jump on it. That's nothing compared to all the direct and indirect subsidies that we shell out to the oil companies. A couple of years ago the estimates for what a gal of gas really costs in the us ( but the price is hidden because of all the subsidies, costs of military support around the world for oil co business, etc ad nausium ) was between $8-12 a gal...and that was before Katrina and all the latest batch of oil co handouts. Hey, if we're going to be paying sideways for fuel through taxes anyway, might as well be paying US farmers, instead of sending all the cash elsewhere. ----------Robert --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 16:59:51 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FuBU7-000132-BD for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:59:51 +0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so805619uge for <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr1609353hub; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.12 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:59:43 -0400 From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: </pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:59:51 -0000 I definitely appreciate the buzzer for the headlights on my 83' 300D, or Our Subaru's which shut the lights off when the key is switched off. I *normally* remember, but on occasion, I might forget more often without the switch/reminders. (: Levi (: On 6/24/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These are people who for some reason can't learn to turn the headlights > off. Their apartment faces the parkinglot for cryin out loud! > Some people's children. > > -Curt > >