Tom wrote:<<most scientists are now jumping off the global warming band wagon.>>
Actually, the majority of scientist have been undecided or in disagreement with the "sky is falling crowd" for a long time. The way the initial report was written had a summary written that distorted the findings. Since few are going to spend the time to read the 1200 pg report they depended on the summary which was written *after* a large number of scientiist has signed off on the report. Even that great bastion of Liberal Causes, the BBC, has produced a video called, "The Global Warming Scam". It goes thru the evidence step-by-step and rebutes each one. It's usually on the various video providers - If you cannot find it let me know & I'll upload it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva -populations discussion > In case you've not been following the trends, most scientists are now > jumping off the global warming band wagon. And the reason? All agree that > the climate is changing but good scientific analysis cannot correlate > human > activity with climate change. The consensus is moving towards natural > climate change, possibly long term cycles in weather that we are just > beginning to understand. > > Also, the two "smoking guns" have been disproved, or at least > disassociated. > > The first, that the hottest year in history occurred in the last 20 years > (1988, from memory?) was disproved this year. NASA just recently reviewed > their records & discovered that the hottest 2 years were 1930 and 1931. > > The second, that the greenhouse gas CO2 that's supposed to be causing the > whole thing is not in high enough concentration to cause a rise in > atmospheric temperature. Unlike oxygen, which is somewhere around 31% > (from > memory), atmospheric CO2 is in the PPM range. > > There is also a theory gaining popularity that states that the rise in CO2 > is due to CO2 being released from the oceans as they warm. If this is true > then the rise in CO2 levels is the results of temperature rise and not the > cause for temperature rise. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > 256-656-1924 > www.kegkits.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:38 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva - populations > discussion > > Problem is, you start elevating the level of living of the other 90%, > they are gonna want cars, computers, air conditioning, microwave ovens, > washing machines, Playstations, Lombards, etc etc, and then global > climate change is going to accelerate because they sure ain't gonna be > using PV arrays on the roofs of their Priuses or buying carbon offsets > from Algore. (cf. China and India). So, best to keep them down where > they are, burning cow dung (no net CO2 inputs!) for fuel. It's best for > their future, you know. > > --R > > billr wrote: >> We have been over this territory about a year ago, but I'll jump in here > this time. In general you make some good points. For population > discussions > you need to remember that in areas with no social safety net children are > the only answer to watching yourself starve to death when you can't grow > your own food due to age, illness or weather. In terms of the latter, you > might also lose a few of the children. Given such choices, and knowing > all > the girls would be moving to another home and at least some of the boys > would die as infants or children would you chose to have only one or two > children? 10 kids = 5 of each, and the girls will leave = 5 boys, with > perhaps two dying prior to being able to farm. 3 is a 'safe' number as > long > as there is no warfare and they are willing to stay on the farm instead of > moving to the city [doesn't happen much anymore]. Prior to suggesting > controls on those who have so many children make sure you would be willing > to starve and watch your spouse starve in order to keep the population > low. > I'll forgo comments on the state of medical care in the 2/3rds of the > world > that is poor, or the economic history of such regions, but you are > certainly > correct that it is the relative inequity of access to resources and > lifestyle that feed the problem. >> BillR >> Jacksonville FL >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sep 2, 2007 9:55 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Don Wills has invited you to join Kiva >>> >>> >>> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>> Ok, it's the "earn a living" argument. In the sub-Sahara, earning a > living >>>> is probably the equivalent of $300.00 / year or so and most would never >>>> come >>>> here. >>>> >>>> The steady flood of immigrants from South of the border has nothing to > do >>>> with earning a living. It has everything to do with a huge standard of >>>> living difference, separated by something as trivial as a border. And > the >>>> same differences have driven population migrations from the beginning >>>> of >>>> time. History is full of examples of people moving for a better life, > the >>>> more recent in this country being the massive immigration from Europe > into >>>> this country over the past 300 or so years, the gold & silver rushes >>>> out >>>> west and the move westward. >>>> >>>> If we want to stop immigration from South of the border then we need to >>>> figure out a way to improve their economy. >>>> >>> --------------------------------------- >>> Whether it's Mexico, India, Africa, China, Malaysia, Turkey, Morroco, or >>> nearly any other third world country; a big problem that no one seems to > be >>> able to do anything about is the birth of more people than the countries > can >>> support. This drives down the quality of life and their citizens move >>> to > >>> richer countries when they can. >>> Should Western industrial nations such as the U.S. permit this >>> migration? > >>> First generation immigrants work hard without complaint for low wages, >>> businessmen love them, and they help make prosperous countries even more >>> prosperous. However, the second and third generation become > industrialized >>> citizens with the same expectations as the general citizenry. The >>> result > is >>> an increase of citizens, usually poor, in the industrial nations, who do > not >>> work hard for low wages without complaint. Often unemployed and poorly >>> educated, they become a liability instead of an asset to the country. >>> >>> Usually, as in Mexico, the population exceeds the ability of the arable > land >>> to support them, so even if Mexico should suddenly become a well > organized >>> democratic country instead of an oligarchy of wealthy families (Carlos > Slim >>> of Mexico has recently become the richest man in the world); the >>> constant > >>> increase in population would still lead Mexicans to immigrate to the >>> U.S. >>> >>> Population increase seems to be a major worldwide problem which no one > knows >>> the answer to. Historically the answer was the Four Horsemen of the >>> Apocalypse: War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death. Science has eliminated >>> famine, pestilence, and early death in much of the worlds population. >>> Unless someone comes up with a better solution, it looks like the > remaining >>> Horseman, War, might be the eventual result. Not a good solution IMO. >>> Gerry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/983 - Release Date: 9/1/2007 > 4:20 PM > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
