I'd rather not appeal to authority or social graphs to decide what's worth 
using.


Pond and Ricochet both use Tor, but they are very different. Pond has a server, 
while Ricochet does not. Pond uses the Axolotl Ratchet. Here's how Ricochet is 
designed:

https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/blob/master/doc/design.md


It's great that someone is working on some highly anonymous chat, and I hope 
the project matures and that we can all learn something from it, but I don't 
think this or any peer to peer system is practical for mass adoption.


Most people want to be able to send a message at any time, then turn off their 
device. And nobody wants to lose incoming messages just because they go offline 
for a short while.


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From: Messaging <[email protected]> on behalf of 
[email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:31 PM
To: Tim Bray
Cc: messaging
Subject: Re: [messaging] fyi: metadata-eliminating tor-based chat program: 
Ricochet

The person who goes the by pseudonym "the grunq" is very knowledgeable member 
of the security community based on his excellent blog, twitter account and 
social graph. His contribution to and endorsement of this project seems to be 
the reason to take it seriously.

I haven't taken a close look at the protocol yet but I expect it would be 
reasonably well informed by the prior efforts in this space. Pond's design 
seems to indicate that if can assume the directory of contacts-> cryptographic 
identities doesn't leak metadata and you provide enough cover traffic to the 
Tor network you can provide metadata protection of messaging against a global 
passive network attacker. From what I've read so far, Richochet seems to 
something along the same lines.



On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tim Bray 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
A number of things about this one made me kind of uneasy.  The clichéd tone of 
the article "high-school dropout trumps NSA!"  The complete absence of input 
from anyone who wasn't a  project insider, and the dissing of competitors who 
are actually shipping working software. I mentioned on Twitter that a couple of 
things about the story made my BS filter twitch, and I got slimed by multiple 
project partisans (nobody I've ever heard of) for being a hater, etc.   I 
looked at the github repo and if any development is actually happening, it's 
not there; no commits to the actual code for a couple months.    Now, none of 
those things in & of itself is reason to dismiss Ricochet, but I have to say my 
BS filter is doing more than twitching.

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM, =JeffH 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
this is just fyi/fwiw, I haven't investigated this other than skimming the 
article..

Middle-School Dropout Codes Clever Chat Program That Foils NSA Spying [ricochet]
http://www.wired.com/2014/09/new-encrypted-chat-program-thwarts-nsa-eliminating-metadata

https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet


also mentioned..

Wickr
Tox
TorChat










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