On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 20:19 -0500, Duncan McGreggor wrote: > To the Meta-SIG members: > > Steve Holden, Jim Baker and I have been discussing an interest in and > need for a Python ULS-SIG mail list at Python.org. In this email, we > propose the creation of this list, provide some background information > on the topic, and include members of the Python community who have > expressed interest in said list, members we would consider to be > "founding members" of this SIG. > > Proposal: > > We would like to establish an official Python ULS-SIG. This would > accomplish the following: > 1) further Python's (and Jython's) place in the world of SOAs > (service oriented architectures) as a first approximation of ultra > large-scale systems; > 2) lend Python some credibility in the research and prototype phases > of ULS work; > 3) send signals to the ULS community of academic, business, and > government organizations that Python and its community of individual > developers, of software projects, and of businesses are all valuable > resources for ULS work and related research; > 4) provide a place for like- and future-minded Python > developers/researchers to engage in pertinent conversations concerning > issues of Python's use in systems of massive scale including the > research, development, prototyping, and implementations there of. > > Per the instructions at > http://www.python.org/community/sigs/guidelines/, we submit the > following: > > Short Description: Ultra Large-Scale Systems > > Long Description: This SIG exists in order to discuss the emerging > field of computing in the context of ultra large-scale systems and how > such systems relate to or can be built with Python. > > With the exception of its use at Google, Python as a language gets > very little press in large systems deployments. Java saw the > innovations of such concepts as the Enterprise Service Bus and has > dominated the field of SOA > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture) > development for large enterprise deployments. However, thanks to the > work of the Jython team, this is not something that we need to compete > with nor fight in anyway, but rather with which we can join forces. > This is important due to the fact that, in many regards, success in > developing and deploying SOAs is a first step towards creating ULS > systems. Nevertheless, in order to make ultra large-scale systems a > reality, a great deal of research and prototyping needs to take place > over the next 10-20 years. We will provide a means by which members of > the Python community can keep in touch with progress towards making > ULS a reality and find focus for efforts which converge with their own > interests, including (among many others) multi-language integration, > leveraging existing community efforts, and simplifying or building > upon successful architectures. > > Background Information: > > The term "Ultra Large-Scale Systems" comes out of the research that > was done in 2005-2006 by the Carnegie Mellon Software Engineering > Institute. It entails the "creation" of systems of the next 10-20 > years, systems that will be too large for current design, development, > management, and interaction practices. These systems will come into > being through amalgamated services united to provide solutions for a > particular (potentially very large) problem space. The official report > is rather long but is available for free > (http://www.sei.cmu.edu/uls/files/ULS_Book2006.pdf). Shorter summaries > are also available. There is one that gives a fairly concise summary, > especially on slide 22 and 23 > (http://www.sei.cmu.edu/uls/files/OOPSLA06.pdf). Though that > particular presentation's content is focused on defense applications, > these problems are of deep interest/concern to industries such as the > medical field and other organizations that will have extensive and > diverse infrastructure and services operating in diverse and > potentially hostile environments. Another presentation outlines the > research that needs to be actively pursued in order to make ULS > systems a reality (see pages 69, 38, 37 -- note that the dotted 6.x.y > number refer to sections in the official ULS report; > http://www.sei.cmu.edu/uls/files/roadmap.pdf). > > Interested Parties: > > On their own behalf or on the part of their development teams, their > communities, or their employers, the following individuals have > expressed an interest in a Python ULS-SIG: > > Steve Holden, Holden Web > Jim Baker, Zyasoft > Duncan McGreggor, ULS Evangelist > Gustavo Niemeyer, Canonical > Chris Armstrong, Canonical > Ralph Meijer, XMPP Evangelist > Christian Tismer, Stackless > Kristján Valur Jónsson, CCP (EVE Online) > Axel Angeli, SOA Evangelist/Conference Coordinator > > Thanks for your time and we look forward to hearing your comments. > > Duncan McGreggor
Hey folks, This was was in the mailman queue for a while (And just released), so I'm responding to it for a ping and to bring the thread to today's date. Thanks, d _______________________________________________ Meta-sig maillist - [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/meta-sig
