Not an answer, and not taking position, but this tension between a 
pedagogical goal and a "reference work" goal has already appeared (e.g. the 
binomial theorem is now proved in set.mm for general rings, and it is 
proved that complex numbers form a ring, but the binomial theorem for 
complex numbers is not proved as a direct corollary of these two facts), 
and this tension is bound to appear again: these goals are simply not 
compatible (after all, except for restricted fields, most textbooks are not 
reference works, and the brilliant reference work by Bourbaki would do a 
terrible textbook).

By the way: I see that there are things on well-founded recursion in JBN's 
mathbox (http://us2.metamath.org/mpeuni/mmtheorems.html). How do they 
compare ?

Benoit

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 8:06:46 AM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote:

> On 8/1/20 2:41 PM, Norman Megill wrote:
>
> > It would be interesting to hear how other people learned transfinite 
> > and/or well-founded recursion, and which is considered "harder" for 
> > the beginner.  Is there a reason ordinal TFR is the one that (I think) 
> > is mostly used?
>
> I guess the answer is that I got through a major in undergraduate 
> mathematics, and a certain amount of recreational mathematics, where 
> recursion was pretty much assumed and treated informally. This would 
> mostly be recursion on natural numbers. I had heard of transfinite 
> recursion, but not well-founded recursion (at least, not by that name, I 
> couldn't say for sure whether there was some kind of argument applied 
> informally which amounted to well-founded recursion). I'm not sure we 
> even got as far as handwaving at something vaguely called the "Recursion 
> Theorem". So in a way I'm not a good test case, because I didn't really 
> learn either kind of recursion, at least not with rigor.
>
> Given this, having to formalize recursion for iset.mm was a bit of a 
> rude awakening. Having the set.mm treatment was helpful, but it breaks 
> down after tfrlem9 . And although I have found constructive set thoery 
> references (maybe not exactly textbooks, but close enough in the sense 
> that they can often be formalized without major changes) for things like 
> Dedekind cuts, complex division, and others, I found nothing of the sort 
> for recursion.
>
> Sorry I'm not sure that saying "the number of people who really worry 
> about how recursion works is much smaller than the number of people who 
> use recursion without really thinking about it too hard" really answers 
> your question. But I do share a certain amount of what seems to be your 
> caution - in terms of whether building in too much generality would make 
> it even less clear how ordinal recursion is working.
>
>
>

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