Hi, Jim, thanks for your explanation.

I will play with these different systems to have a try, I believe this will
help me to understand and learn both metamath and reverse math.

Mingli

On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 9:30 AM Jim Kingdon <[email protected]> wrote:

> Most of what I know about reverse mathematics is what I see in a quick
> look at the wikipedia article, so I'm not sure the following covers it
> especially well, but I'll try:
>
> 1. You are correct that "This theorem was proved from axioms" can be used
> to keep track of which axioms were used in a proof. In the Metamath Proof
> Explorer this is most developed for the axiom of choice, the axiom of
> regularity, and perhaps a few of the predicate logic axioms. However what
> we have done so far is mostly about omitting axioms from ZFC more so than
> adding axioms to something like RCA0.
>
> 2. Although there is a bit of a start at doing things with type theory at
> http://us.metamath.org/holuni/mmhol.html it hasn't gotten as much
> attention as ZF or IZF. I don't know how fully developed it is, how the
> type theory there compares with what reverse mathematics generally uses
> (which I gather is usually based on second order arithmetic?), etc.
>
> 3. There is a decent amount of development of IZF at
> http://us.metamath.org/ileuni/mmil.html (up to the construction of the
> real numbers and existence of square roots, basically). However, I gather
> IZF is pretty strong by the standards of these things. There's a little CZF
> there as well but I'm not sure that it weak enough to serve as a base
> theory.
> Hope this gives you at least some basis for comparing what you are seeing
> in Stillwell versus what currently exists in metamath. Of course the
> metamath tools could be fed a different set of axioms (as we have done with
> the IZF iset.mm as opposed to the ZFC set.mm which has been around
> longer), so there is a lot which could be done but which in some cases
> hasn't been yet.
>
> On 9/12/21 11:07 AM, Mingli Yuan wrote:
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I am a newbie of metamath, and recently I am reading John Stillwell's book
> - Reverse Mathematics, the book uses a very elegant style to introduce the
> topic via a minimal way.
>
> I noticed the theorem explorer has a section "This theorem was proved
> from axioms", so I am wondering whether it is possible to explore the
> theorems in the book via metamath, and also can get the clear hierarchy of
> RCA0, WKL0, ACA0, etc.
>
> In my understanding, if we have the dependent chain and the net of
> theorems, it is natural to study the structure of them. While I searched
> all the emails of this group since 2016, and found nothing.
>
> Why?
>
> Mingli
>
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