Jay, I don't have anything to hide. I didn't know my name was hiding. I have other post with my name. Actually I would like to meet some of these Clinton grads like Gregory N. Thanks to all the email for your support.
Kim Fenn Az ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "azaware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > I will take you up on your "dare"...if you DARE to sign your name and place > of residence (just like everybody else does). > > Jay C. > Lima, Peru > > > > > De: "azaware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Fecha: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:07:51 -0700 > > Para: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > > > > This is the last word from me on this subject. I dare you or any others to > > take Norton "test drive" virus protection program, which requires giving > > them your email, address and see what happens (but as a friend I strongly > > advise not to do this). The last virus I got on my computer was from this > > list. Jonathan said something about viruses, so I put my thought on the > > subject. This doesn't have anything to do with meteorite, but it does have > > something to do with people sending viruses on this list. My point is simple > > someone getting paid to spend everyday trying to infected computers. It's > > not even new viruses; it's the some old ones they keep sending over and > > over. I'm not saying don't buy the Norton Antivirus program. At this point > > you have to have something. But if these companies ever get caught maybe we > > might get are money back. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "azaware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > > > > > >> Bill Clinton is an idiot and he was stupid enough to believe that his > > cigar > >> stroking intern could keep a secret. > >> I was not belittling anyone in particular just making a broad statement > >> about society. > >> > >> Why does it always seem to be a conspiracy to those that fail to do the > >> simplest of things to prevent the worse of things? > >> In most cases this world would rather believe in what is not possible > >> instead of doing what is most practical. > >> I suppose that the oil companies force you to drive more by making > > anywhere > >> you need to go farther away from you so you can consume more gasoline, and > >> when your house was built they were there to be sure it was not properly > >> insulated and now make the winters colder so you use more fuel oil? > >> > >> Maybe the bread companies created mold. Think that battery companies > > planned > >> on their product wearing out? Could be that doctors actually help the > >> cigarette makers, and dentists created gingivitus in a secret lab? > >> > >> But if you want to believe that Symantec is actually creating viruses so > >> they can sell you software that is your right. > >> > >> My suggestion is that you drain your bathtub and not re-use the water. > >> > >> And learn your name so you can sign your posts.... > >> > >> Mark M. > >> Phoenix Arizona > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: azaware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:59 AM > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > >> > >> > >>> Oh no not another Norton employee. You sound like you graduated from > > the > >>> school of Bill Clinton, belittle the messenger. > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "azaware" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:22 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > >>> > >>> > >>>> Having worked in the computer industry for almost 16 years I can tell > >> you > >>>> that viruses and their spread are the product of 2 things in this > > order: > >>>> > >>>> 1). Computer experts that have nothing better to do then find a way to > >>> show > >>>> their talent by creating a virus. > >>>> 2). Malicious individuals that seek to cause havoc for various > > reasons. > >>>> > >>>> The reason that they are so prolific and spread so easily is that most > >> of > >>>> the users in this world are ignorant enough to believe that they will > >>> never > >>>> be infected. These are the same individuals that fall for telephone > >> scams, > >>>> buy the Banjo Minnow, and believe that they can swallow a pill and > > lose > >> 50 > >>>> pounds in 6 weeks. These people are found in the dictionary....look > >> under > >>>> clueless and victims for pictures. > >>>> > >>>> Anyone that would even begin to believe that a company like > >>>> Symantec(Nortons) would deliberately create a virus to sell their > >> product > >>>> regularly drink their own bath water and have a family tree that does > >> not > >>>> branch. > >>>> > >>>> With the general public walking about so completely clueless it would > > be > >> a > >>>> waste of capital for a company to invest in a R & D program to create > >>>> something that already is being made for free and that the mainstream > >>>> population is so willing to spread. > >>>> > >>>> There is a moral to all of this....Milk does not come from a jug, > > crime > >> is > >>>> not something that happens to your neighbor and being on the internet > >>>> without virus protection is just plain stupid. > >>>> > >>>> Mark M. > >>>> Arizona > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: azaware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 2:35 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Below is a weeks worth of emails sent to me with viruses. I will > > grant > >>> you > >>>>> there really are some real lunatics out there, but what are we > > talking > >>>> about > >>>>> a couple ok 5 all right 10 a week. The reason I get so many is > > because > >>>> this > >>>>> Email is 7 years old, so I'm on every kind of list out there. I > >> remember > >>>>> when we didn't have viruses or Norton and now we have Norton and > >>> viruses. > >>>> I > >>>>> wouldn't be surprise if Norton the company were started from the > > guys > >>> who > >>>>> started sending virus. I remember the first viruses, I can see it > > now > >>> the > >>>>> guy thought wow I can give this guy a virus then he can call me to > > fix > >>> it. > >>>>> And now you can call Norton on the phone and for $35 + $99 will help > >> you > >>>> get > >>>>> it off. You almost sound like you work for Norton and this is > >> something > >>>>> Norton would not want to get around, because until now they was this > >>> great > >>>>> savor. Ok have the big guy at Norton give me a call I could be quit > >> for > >>> a > >>>>> price! Other wise I going to expose those s.o.b's. Now you see all > >> these > >>>>> emails. I hardly think kids or these other people are going to go to > >>> this > >>>>> great length to take the time to send out this many viruses with all > >>> these > >>>>> different email address. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:18 AM > >>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] [OT] Re: Norton behind the Virus (!?) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Ken, Kim and List: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I realize this is more than a little OT and probably wasting some > >>>>>> people's time -- so I apologize in advance -- but I just couldn't > >>>>>> resist. Of all the weird things I've seen on the M-List (and there > >>>>>> have been plenty), accusing Symantec of creating new viruses in > >> order > >>>>>> to sell their own products is one of the nuttiest . . . right up > >>>>>> there with the Frass meteorite even! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kim posted: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Norton has to behind this, who else is making out. > >>>>>>> Norton paying these guys to this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ken posted: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I agree with you, Norton was behind this! > >>>>>>> I vowed then and there not to buy their product! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> People create viruses for all sorts of reasons: Kids do it for > > fun; > >>>>>> anarchists do it because it's anarchistic; hackers target > > companies > >>>>>> they don't like; disgruntled employees ditto; and so on. In the > >>>>>> hacker subculture it is a major status symbol to have created a > >> virus > >>>>>> that's caused international mayhem. You may not have encountered > >>>>>> these types of characters in real life but I have, and I assure > > you > >>>>>> they are active, numerous, and damn clever. I suppose you could > > say > >>>>>> they are the digital age's version of the neighborhood prankster. > >>>>>> Some have eventually been employed by our own government, in a > > sort > >>>>>> of "If we can't beat them, get them on the payroll" scenario. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Symantec -- the company that manufactures Norton Antivirus, Norton > >>>>>> Utilities, Systemworks, etc. -- is an excellent outfit and in my > >>>>>> opinion vital to the professional computer user. I couldn't have > >> kept > >>>>>> my numerous computer stations running all these years with them. > >> I've > >>>>>> employed nearly all of their products for as long as I've been > > using > >>>>>> computers for a living. They've helped me root out all kinds of > >> virus > >>>>>> trouble, hardware problems, prevented hackers getting into my > >>>>>> systems, and on and on. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't want to waste the List's time with OT discussions, but -- > > no > >>>>>> offense intended -- your statements are absolute nonsense, and > > could > >>>>>> actually be damaging by negatively influencing List subscribers > > who > >>>>>> might otherwise buy these useful products. Hence the rebuttal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We all get angry over virus issues, and really I do sympathize > > with > >>>>>> you guys, but posting preposterous statements about one of the few > >>>>>> companies that combats the problem is not going to help. If you > >> would > >>>>>> like to discuss this further, please write to me off-List. I would > >> be > >>>>>> happy to furnish you with additional information on the subject > > that > >>>>>> may be useful to you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Geoff N. > >>>>>> www.notkin.net > >>>>>> www.paleozoic.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ______________________________________________ > >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
