Hi John:
Don't let the door hit you in the tuchus on your way out!
Phil Whitmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Teague" <volg...@icx.net>
To: "Michael Gilmer" <meteoritem...@gmail.com>; "Marc Fries" <fr...@psi.edu>
Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
Well, sure Mike, why use reason and logic in this 'debate'?!? Where
would the world be if we all did that?
This 'debate' is why I NO LONGER suggest this list to my customers at
shows. I have had too many of them come back and ask why I had
"meteorite-list" on my handout of website information for customers. I
received so many negative comments/complaints about petty bickering (and
NOT so petty!) that I've removed it.
I keep asking myself "Why do I continue to subscribe?" It is getting
harder and harder to come up with a valid reason ... just stubborn I
guess!
Just my two coppers worth ...
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritem...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sep 6, 2011 3:48 PM
To: Marc Fries <fr...@psi.edu>
Cc: Adam <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: High Noon!
Hi Gang,
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think one simple fact is being
overlooked by almost everyone involved here, and this simple criteria
is the ultimate litmus test that definitively confirm or deny a
terrestrial origin for a given sample...
Drumroll please....
Cosmic ray exposure data. Elemental analysis is fine and dandy, and
it can answer many questions, but it cannot definitively confirm or
deny the terrestrial (or meteoritic) origin for a sample. It simply
states what elements are present in the sample and in what
concentrations (within a margin of error) these elements are present.
As we all know, some lunar and martian meteorites are very similar in
elemental composition to their terrestrial analogs. But, terrestrial
rocks have never been exposed to cosmic rays. By contrast, all
meteorites have been exposed to cosmic rays during their journey from
the parent body to Earth. This exposure leaves tell-tale markers in
the material.
Of course, I am over-simplifying to some degree, and the cosmic ray
exposure clock can be reset by certain events, but those events also
leave their own signatures.
Simple XRF analysis, and/or visual comparisons will not cut it to make
a truly definitive and authoritative judgement on the origins of a
rock.
Run cosmic ray exposure studies on the material in question - if it
was exposed to cosmic rays, then that material has spent time outside
of Earth's protective shield. Once that has been established, then
the samples can be subjected to SEM (scanning electron microprobe) to
determine the composition of the material to a more accurate and
specific degree than the XRF will reveal.
Best regards,
MikeG
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On 9/6/11, Marc Fries <fr...@psi.edu> wrote:
Oh come on, Adam! Clearly the good Sheriff is an expert at identifying
Martian meteorites.
The only non-awesome part of that email was how I was somehow left off
the
Thinks Steve Curry is a Moron list. I feel cheated.
Cheers,
Marc Fries
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi List,
I would suggest deleting Steve C.s emails from now on.
Steve got exactly what he was after now that this garbage has been
posted
to the List. His San Juan breccia has already been studied and
denounced
by the most qualified laboratories. He refuses to follow the same
channels
the rest of us have to in order to make meteorites official. For some
reason, possibly watching too much television, he thinks that he is
better
than everybody else, can set his own rules and become an instant
millionaire. Sorry, Steve, despite what the voices in your head might
be
telling you, your gaggle of "Moon Rocks" is not better than the NASA
Apollo returned collection!
He now wants more attention with this fake showdown which will
accomplish
nothing because the results would not be what he wants to hear or
believe.
He has the nerve to question the integrity of the best planetary
scientists in the world in his latest ramblings. He now thinks by
comparing his terrestrial rocks to best lunar meteorite in the world
that
he can gain even more notoriety. He does not deserve any more
attention.
I will certainly not degrade a piece of real NWA 5K by engaging in this
ridiculous "High Noon" challenge.
My challenge to Stevy is how many "Denver Death Cookies" can he drink
at
Denver show at Teddy's Bar?
Enough of this crap already,
Adam
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