How do you come up with this? I was at the New Orleans house 40 hours after t fell. While it was not seen to hit the house, the homeowner had gone to work at 7 am and returned home at 5 pm finding his house full of rocks and destruction. The neighbors reported huge crashing noise like a car accident at ~4 pm I think, and several airline pilots reported a fireball. I am pretty sure that the fact that the meteorite went through 3 floors that day That the noncom had enough evidence to know that the New Orleans meteorite fell on that date between the hours of 7 am and 5 pm.
How can you guys take the simplest thing like fall and find and yap about it for days? Perhaps some people need to try knitting for a hobby, seems less controversial. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Michael Gilmer <meteoritem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi John and List, > > Good question. Let me attempt to answer. If I fail, perhaps Capt. > Blood will chime in or another hammerhead will jump to the rescue. > > All hammers are falls, because if a hammer falls and nobody is around > to notice it, it will never be discovered....and is therefore not a > hammer or a fall. > > Let me put it this way - New Orleans is a recent example of an > unwitnessed hammer that is considered a fall. When the New Orleans > meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor > destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home. The owners were out > and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later. In this > particular case, nobody directly witnessed the fall or the damage > being done. If I recall correctly, there were no indirect witnesses > as well - no radar track, no fireball video, no other witnesses on the > ground. The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness > of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the > obvious damage caused by this material. > > Met Bull states that the New Orleans meteorite is a fall, so it is > therefore a "observed fall" or "witnessed fall" in officially-approved > nomenclature and accepted use amongst the majority of collectors and > dealers. Additionally, some hammerheads may refer to it as a "hammer > fall". Also of note, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore > the New Orleans meteorite is a "hammer stone" because it struck a > house and manmade objects. > > Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone > unnoticed and unreported. The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is > desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane > Katrina. Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and > falling into disrepair. There are squatters, homeless persons, gang > elements, and other transients that reside in the area. The same is > true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees. If the stone > had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is > likely to lay undiscovered and be carted off to the landfill when the > city finally bulldozes the property. In such a case, the fall and > damage were never noticed, it is never reported, no material is ever > recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named. > > Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite > as a "fall" has changed to some degree over the years. Or could say, > the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than > others. There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness > reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens > on the ground. Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date > range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls > and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or > find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. > > So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a > hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a > "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" > - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or > just casually. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond > recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will > require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible > flogging. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG > > Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > On 6/14/12, John Hendry <p...@pict.co.uk> wrote: >> Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole >> >> in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. >> >> John >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 7221 (20120614) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
