Hello all
If the email where I have write " no send the payment " is not arrive is not a my fault, I have sent this and I feel myself calm and with the soul in peace, until already I had replaced on ebay the piece buy and I removed it again just when I received the payment. I think of not to have ever teased no on Ebay and the positive list of my feedback gives of it fit, except for a small easily eliminable spot. Regards Matteo --- Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom > Matteo is suggesting be > blackballed on ebay because I left him negative > feedback. > I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our > differences on this list. > When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was > very lucky I was > keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has > decided to slam me in > public, so, to set the record straight, here is why > Matteo is so upset > with me. > > It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was > a very special fall > in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always > been more on the > history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest > had it all in my > eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a > fall that would rank > as very historic. I resolved that I would try to > acquire as many > samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" > as I could. > It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in > reaching my specific > goals. > > Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few > hours after Matteo > listed it: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 > > This listing gave the unmistakable impression that > the seller was > offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of > the PF Firestation! > With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I > thought, "wow, what a > way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I > also thought "I > thought the PF town council had decided to sell this > stone to a museum?" > I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( > or in this case > "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this > really were a piece > of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end > with a buy-now before > Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the > auction and > immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would > send payment if he > could provide the evidence that this was indeed from > the PF Firestation > hammer. His reply did not really address my > question. He told me that > he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from > the Hupes. He told > me he had a slice from this stone on his collection > page. He did, and > it was captioned "Firestation stone". > > I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not > around. I decided to > sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember > that Michael did > offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the > street from the > firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a > piece of this stone > that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told > him he must be in > error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his > ebay fees since I had > bid first and asked questions later. A small loss > for me, no loss for > Matteo. > > Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could > believe one of 2 > things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a > liar, or I could > believe the slice came from the stone that > penetrated the roof of the > firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting > it that way, I "fell > for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of > being told what I > really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. > > Several days went bye when I noticed a post from > Michael to the list. > Seeing that he was around I contacted him and > discovered my memory had > been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on > his pre-post list > and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo > bought from him > came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also > fwd me a copy of his > old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and > presented it as > evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which > was now enroute to me, > was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply > was that perhaps the > description "fell across the steet" from the > firestation had been lost > in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, > as I expected he > would, and as I would have immediately done myself, > a refund or other > form of adjustment that would make up for his > misrepresentation of this > auction listing. > > When the item arrived, I left negative feedback. > That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter. > I did not demand a > refund that I felt the seller should have offered me > of his own free > will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a > gamble I had lost. > > After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me > and reminded me > that he had told me if I did not believe the piece > was from the stone > that hit the firestation, I did not have to send > payment. He has > repeated this claim on this list. Matteo, as I told > you yesterday, I do > not like being lied to. I told you that I have > saved all your emails. > And I state catagorically: > at no time did you tell me not to send payment. > Rather, you told me that if it were not from the > stone that hit the > station, then Blood was a liar. > Since I don't believe that Michael is a liar, and it > didn't dawn on me > that you might be misleading me, you got paid and I > own a pretty > expensive slice of "ordinary" PF. > > In closing, I want to state, that I left Matteo > negative feedback > because I felt I was lied to. > While the feedback was strongly worded, I'm not all > bent out of shape > about what happened. > I accept responsibility for my "bid now, ask > questions later" approach. > If Matteo had simply agreed to my offer to pay his > ebay fees for the > item I purchased, there would be no negative > feedback and I would'nt be > offering a long-winded expaination of a matter that > Matteo should have > kept between the 2 of us. Again, I am sorry that > this business is being > aired in public. I do hope this is the last word > that anyone expects > from me on this matter. > > Best wishes, > Charlie > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tom aka James Knudson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ken O'Neill > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Meteorite-List (E-mail)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, M come > Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY > and DOUBLE GAUL > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:32:57 -0700 > > Ken, Tom, Matteo & all, > Let me put a bloody end to all this > nonsense, right now. > Matteo, if you hadn't had the GAUL to slam > a good person > yesterday, as per below, I would have kept my bloody > mouth > shut. I quote you as follows from yesterday's post > to the list: > -- > Hello all > I addvise all to stop this ID in your ebay spam > list, > the person in matter buy from me a slice of PF that > came from the close pavement of the fire station in > park forest. By mistake I had written that it came > from the roof of the station, but I said him that it > was able not to buy it and I I replaced it in sale. > The person instead buy the same the piece and put a > negative feedback to me, a behavior from idiotic > truth. Block this person if do not want to have > surprised. > ID: shawomet > -- > Now, as for this buyer whom you claim did > you wrong: > This is a customer of mine, Matteo. He saw the same > post > from me off of which you bought the Park Forrest (at > $25/g, > which is $5/g more than you paid Steve Arnold - it > is > OBVIOUS you are the person who wanted him to refund > your $ - anyone who has dealt with you recognizes > the same > o same o with Steve and with John - clear as a bell) > So, this customer contacts me and asks if I > miswrote > in my ad that it fell ACCROSS THE STREET from the > Fire Station, or did it actually hit the fire > station. I explained > it fell accross the street and that you had a hard > time with > English and perhaps missworded your statement, AS I > HAD > BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH YOU UPON PURCHASE ABOUT THIS > PARTICULAR SPECIMEN, as we exchanged emails until > there > could be NO DOUBT in your mind. > Now, Matteo, you are claiming a VERY > different story > than this customer, who said in attempts to clarify > with > you, you were emphatic about this stone hitting the > fire > station. > Now you email the list bad mouthing him > because he > filed a negative eBay feedback on you..... > And you have the astonishingly poor taste > to do this > while the whole list is up in arms about you mewling > about > a deal with Steve Arnold (go ahead, I double dog > dare you > to deny it is you) ABOUT MATERIAL FROM THE SAME > FALL!!! > I have long suspected your understanding is > greater than > you let on. I will no longer give you the benefit > of the doubt. > Your credibility is ZERO with me. > Like I said, I wouldn't even have commented > on this > thread at all if you hadn't audaciously bad mouthed > "showamet" to this list yesterday. Just last week, I > made up > a list of eBay names and anyone and everyone can > look up > this is Charlie Devine. > When I have something to say to people, I say it > to their face, > but your public slander of this person's good name > is absolutely > amazing and has pushed me over the edge. > Sincerely, Michael L. Blood > > > > > on 6/28/03 2:30 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > Hello List, Ken wrote; > > > "we still haven't heard both sides." > > > > > > That is because there is not an "other side". > The > > guy is wrong and has no > > > leg to stand on! > > > Thanks, Tom > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM > > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds > > > > > > > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> I was of the opinion tending towards a refund. > I > > must now admit that in > > > this > > >> particular case this would not now be my > > decision. > > >> A dealer should really be "on the ball" with > > regards to pricing. > > >> Each case must be judged on it's merits, we > still > > haven't heard both > > > sides. > > >> Has the other side any merit ? > > >> > > >> A very interesting thread. > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Ken O'Neill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________ > > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > > on 6/28/03 2:30 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Hello List, Ken wrote; > > "we still haven't heard both sides." > > > > That is because there is not an "other side". The > guy is wrong and has no > > leg to stand on! > > Thanks, Tom > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I was of the opinion tending towards a refund. I > must now admit that in > > this > >> particular case this would not now be my > decision. > >> A dealer should really be "on the ball" with > regards to pricing. > >> Each case must be judged on it's merits, we still > haven't heard both > > sides. > >> Has the other side any merit ? > >> > >> A very interesting thread. > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Ken O'Neill > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === message truncated === ===== M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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