Adam,
Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me
and my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just
trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention,
that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after
the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've
finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't.
I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the
pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as
often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy
control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and
contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up
and document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr.
Kring and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think
Osceola cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your
back yard, unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've
worked very hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in
this hobby, sharing with whom ever and wherever I can.And yes, I'm defensive
right now because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying
to draw attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year
ebay ads are running, and I don't deserve that You should pick someone else
to target, maybe someone that is actually out doing bad things.
While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be
adhered to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should
throw it in the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have
procured these same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile
too, or turn themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone
of sound mind can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not
unlike other b.s. laws of the past and present, practically unenforceable
and wrong to begin with. A crime needs a victim by definition and I don't
see a victim here. Furthermore, the stones would have to be reclassified and
proven to be legitimate, then in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold
Basin, Franconia or Indian Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or
mix of private / public land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular
stone found? Prove where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke,
a complete waste of resources. It's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or
tell people they can't smoke weed, forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county
sheriff and I watch him do a rolling stop everyday at the stop sign in front
of the house, do I lecture him? Should I call his boss? GET REAL. These laws
you cite are wrong headed, or at the very least, if used to prosecute a guy
like me, that would not be in the true spirit of which they were written.
Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the laws, you seem to be quite
an outspoken proponent on this list, unless of course it interferes with
your pursuits.
Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away
anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of
positive contribution are over. During the past several years your posts
have continually deteriorated in such a negative way that I don't respect
you anymore. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you are the snitch you
mention. You're not my meteorite Daddy and I didn't ask for your advice or
your protection. Please do not comment on my posts in the future. Like I
said to you once in the past, relax man, get outside and go find a
meteorite. Find something constructive to do. Based on the emails, texts
and phone calls I've received today, many others would agree.
Sincerely,
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!
What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands? If
meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited under
FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal removal of any
personal property or any scientific resource or natural object. You will
also be subject to criminal prosecution under title 18, section 641 for the
theft of Federal property and related criminal statutes depending on the
type of illegal activity, including false labeling under title 18, section
1001. I would take this very seriously. There are snitches in our midst as
many have found out the hard way. On 1/7/2018 11:54 AM, Larry Atkins via
Meteorite-list wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, but really... > > Sent from
AOL Mobile Mail > > > >
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com <mailto:l...@meteoritecentral.com>>
wrote: > > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind
that > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against
federal > law. I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List > Members have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor
meteorite > sales, especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected,
i.e., for > free and without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance
with the > BLM's regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain > public lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per > person per year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of >
non-motorized and non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors > are
okay. However, specimens that are casually collected are for > personal use
only, and may not be bartered or sold for commercial > purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf >
Happy hunting, > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
List, > > > I have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in
about 24 > hours. Most started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no
bids. > There are a few items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed
fall > from Florida. Or NWA 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a
2.8 > gram end cut with only 2 bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other >
highlights would be the rarely offered Arizona find officially > recognized
as Bullhead City. Another rarely offered Arizona meteorite, > the witnessed
fall called Indian Butte, aka Stanfield. I have a low TKW > Howardite that
is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a 2.71 gram full slice that > is currently at
$13.00. > > Don't miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. > The first 2 I put
up sold quick, there are 2 more up with very > reasonable buy it now prices
and a quick search on the internet will > demonstrate the rarity, these
things are practically unobtainable. > > > Others listed are: > Holbrook
frag's from my big find in 2007. > A 3.2 > kg Gold Basin from the Nevada
side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA 10140 Lunar > 1 of only 2 anorthositic
troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3 slices. > > NWA 8663 A complete crusted
eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve! > > > There are others as well,
take a minute and check them out if > interested. > > Thank you. > > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200
Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > >
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