Exactly what That idiocy embraces.... I never thought that "hard science" had Any ambiguity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Wegmann" <brucewegm...@gmail.com> To: "John Lutzon" <j...@lutzon.com> Cc: "bill k" <billk...@protonmail.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS Oh, come on...they're just trying to be "inclusive". "Woke" idiocy now invades the hard sciences. We're doomed... On 5/22/21, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall > category. > Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: "bill k" <billk...@protonmail.com> > Cc: <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS > > > LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL! > > Cheers, > John A. Shea, MD > IMCA 3295 > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com > > > > On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote: > >> >> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just >> as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I >> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some >> point. Sheeeesh.... Most of these terms are absurd. >> >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - >> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of >> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, >> > though an earlier event in the region may be on record >> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. >> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful... >> > >> > Cheers, >> > John A. Shea, MD >> > IMCA 3295 >> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com >> > >> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds: >> > >> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing >> > falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one >> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a >> > meteorite is an observed fall. >> > >> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines >> > to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules >> > for falls: >> > >> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond >> > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, >> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred >> > soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent >> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, >> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event. >> > >> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the >> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. >> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced >> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether >> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of >> > the event itself. >> > >> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom >> > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural >> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences. >> > >> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with >> > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the >> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an >> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event, >> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is >> > connected to the event or about the observations of the >> > event itself. >> > >> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information >> > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high >> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or >> > about the observations of the event itself. >> > >> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, >> > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances." >> > >> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: >> > >> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" >> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> > Date: May 21, 2021 >> > To: "bill k" <billk...@protonmail.com> >> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" <museumcenterpi...@gmail.com>, >> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >> > <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE >> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS >> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted >> > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The >> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these >> > definitions. >> > >> > -Michael in so. Cal. >> > >> > Virus-free. www.avg.com >> > >> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list >> > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> > >> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such >> > > designation exists. >> > > >> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is >> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an >> > > officially recognized term? >> > > >> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> > > >> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list >> > > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Elizabeth, >> > > > >> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no >> > > > such designation exists. 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