Hello Bob, Walter and List thanks for the support. Ruben and I have been striving to do the right thing with these new Arizona meteorites and as you know it takes some time to get the proper classifaction done. In this case we have ASU on our side and they wanted to get the classifaction done ASAP since this find was a new strewn field. Then we found several different meteorites, then six, then ... Well you get the picture, it may take a little longer to get all these different stones sorted out. We would be glad to answer any questions that we can about the area and the different meteorites that are coming out of the area. Of course not all of the finds are ours, there are several others in the area, that have made some nice finds. Thanks again
Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > Apparently the List was down yesterday when I > orginally sent my reply to Tracy, and since then Devin > has done a good job of answering Tracy's question. > But I'll resend this anyway, because I want to > pesonally extend kudos to Rubin and Mike for the good > job they have done in the handling of their > Franconia/Buck Mountain/Dutch Flat Area meteorite > finds: -- Bob V. > > --------------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We shouldn't exclude from the Gold Basin Area list all > of the "Gold Basin L5" and the "Gold Basin L6" stones, > because I think this is what Tracy was referring to. > Acceptance of these names has met with resistance, > (myself included), yet > there is no denying that these are formally approved > names (I have the message from Jeff Grossman that > formally approves their usage). > But the point to be remembered here is that all of > these various L-meteorites from Gold Basin are deemed > by the NomComm to be from the same fall. > That's why they lumped all of them together under the > name "Gold Basin". > > But it is doubtful that this "special case" for Gold > Basin will have any bearing on the naming of Franconia > area meteorites. Here there is ample evidence of > separate falls, if not overlapping strewn fields. > > So, based on the reports of Rubin Garcia & Mike Miller > - that ASU estimates ~10 different chondrites from > this area - the typical response to the phrase > "Franconia meteorite" will be "Okay, but WHICH > Franconia meteorite?" > > And who gets to decide which ones are paired? > > Also, I don't feel it's "safe to assume" that enough > Franconia specimens are being properly examined, let > alone classified. And that's why the effort put > forward by Garcia & Miller is so notable; it's because > they are the exception, and not the rule. They > deserve major kudos for this effort in getting so many > of their specimens examined and classified. > > It's because of this effort (and they're being local > to Franconia) and ever since Mike contacted me back in > November about their new finds, that I have been > slowly winding down my involvement with this locality. > So I agree with John, if anyone has any questions > regarding the types of meteorites being found in this > "hot-spot", you should contact Ruben or Mike. I've > already mentioned in a previous post that, if you have > a Franconia specimen that you want examined, you > should forward it to ASU Center for Meteorite Studies. > > And finally, about my slices of Franconia (H5), I > would feel more comfortable if we were to refer to > this stone the John Wolfe meteorite, since he is the > finder of that stone. My involvement with that stone > was supposed to be temporary. It was my intention, > after getting it classified for John, to keep that > stone in Arizona - in the ASU collection. But after > more than a year of negotiating, they ended taking an > unclassified specimen from a meteorite dealer. I > would still prefer to see Franconia (H5) kept in > Arizona, but what is Arizona's loss might become some > collector's gain. > > Bob V. > > ------------------- > > > At 02:17 AM 4/9/2004, tracy latimer wrote: > >Have other samples of meteorites collected from > Franconia Wash been turned in for classification? > Does this mean that Franconia will become > Franconia(a), to be followed by Franconia(b), > Franconia(c), etc.? That's one thing that has puzzled > me; with the several different types that have come > out of Gold Basin, why are they all still lumped > together as just "Gold Basin"? Several people have > said there seem to be at least 2, maybe 3 strewnfields > there, or at least it seems to be a big collecting > point. > There should be enough data there to designate at > least a couple of different falls/finds. > > > >Tracy Latimer > > > > > > > >>Hi List, > >> > >>John is right, as there are many new chondrite finds > >>in the Franconia area. I along with Mike Miller have > >>been hunting the area for many months, long beforeit > >>was common knowledge to the meteorite community. We > >>have found many meteorites, but just as important we > >>have found many different types of meteorites. Mike > >>and I have personally submitted for classification > >>over 10 different chondrite "types" ranging from > anLL > >>to an H. And yes we have even found some Iron > >>meteorites! I feel confident in saying this because > >>the Arizona State University has been involved > withus > >>in the classification process since the beginningand > >>therefore this is not merely our opinion but alsothe > >>opinion those at Arizona State University. As manyof > >>you know the classification process can take > sometime > >>but please be patient as these classifications are > >>forthcoming. > >> > >>During the entire time we have hunted this area we > >>have only come across a few grams of Bob Verishs' > >>Franconia meteorite ( fortunately for us we actually > >>had a slice of his Franconia to compare to our finds > ) > >> Because of this we can only assume that there is > >>much less Franconia meteorite than there at first > >>seemed to be. That is not to say that there isn't a > >>lot of Franconia, indeed there may be, but maybe > not > >>as much as some think. In fact, Bobs Franconia may > >>not even be the most abundant meteorite out there, > as > >>we have many large pieces that are NOT like Bobs > >>Franconia. > >> > >>I have heard it said once or twice that this may be > >>another gold basin, let me be the first to say I > >>highly doubt it. First of all it is obviously unique > >>because of the many types of meteorites being found. > >>Jim Kriegh ( one of the original gold basin strewn > >>field finders) upon hunting with us even dubbed it > >>the " Meteorite Graveyard" as he too found several > >>different types of meteorites. Also in my humble > >>opinion there is not all that much left. This is an > >>area where some of the more skilled hunters can and > >>have gone days without the slightest signal on their > >>detector. Many hunters will tell you there are > >>precious few meteorites still left. > >> > >>To this day we continue to hunt, and even though we > >>don't find much anymore, it is still exiting. Think > >>about it, these are NEW ARIZONA METEORITES! Whether > or > >>not they end up being classified as Franconia or any > >>one of the many other provisional names we have > >>chosen, they simply are a unique and rare treasure. > >> > >> > >>Sincerely, > >>Ruben Garcia and Mike Miller > >> > >>__________________________________ > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
