i just buy , big unclassified one 'cuz they are meteorites. such uses are bookends, etc. if i do buy one for type, i get a eucrite or some other rare type so that it will have been anayzed already.
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>From: "MarkF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: meteor list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET re Another fake name, serious business >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:26:53 -0500 > >Hi Mike and List > >This brings very good questions of authenticity. >As a minor collector (meaning I only have a small collection and I'm >new to this having been doing so a couple of years now), I do have >to wonder about many of the stones I've aquired over the last 2-3 >yrs. I've never doubted before what I bought except for once when I >got a SA which refuses to etch (although this might just be an >effect of remelting upon impact). I would hope the dealers whom I've >
bought from will consider this and reassure me that they are on the >up and up and can vouch for what they sell with some form of proof. >I do resell small pieces so that others can get what I've gotten, >but now I see that I have no word other than what is presented to me >and I sure don't have the equipment to even analyze these small >fragments although I can examine thin sections on larger pieces >which only tells me that I have a meteorite really and would make me >cut a usually small sample and make it smaller. >I would hope the world of meteorite dealers would be up front and >open with what they present. Now, I can't speak for the sellers in >North Africa because they only know that they have a product to sell >and once they learn A sells for more than B, they will do what >they've done for centuries and say B is A. This has been the way of >life for the peoples of the Med for thousands of years. Makes no >difference the prod
uct. So, I would prefer the major dealers to do >the buying and classifying from the desert sellers and the >leftovers, those common (looking) meteorites from North Africa, can >then still be had for a common price which the sellers in N. Africa >will establish and then the bartering begins for that price which >will make both parties happy. Thats how a couple dealers do this I'm >sure and they pass that on to us and clearly state they are >unclassified and the implication is that they are most likely from >one of the big strewn fields. Makes for great larger display pieces >of complete individuals at prices I might even be able to afford one >day! > >This has been an enlightening thread and one which I hope brings us >all some benefit. > >Mark > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Farmer" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Michael Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
al.com> >Cc: "Michael Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET re Another fake name, serious >business > > >>Mark, man that is the best written post I have seen in a while. >>My composition skills are more along the lines of President Bush, >>below par. >> >>Anyway, we all face a serious danger here, you look at eBay now and >>there are thousands of meteorite auctions on. Know you seller, and >>know your material, I suggest everyone new to this business, read >>everything they can get their hands on and look all over the >>internet. Knowledge is power. >> >>All of our collections could be damaged by this sort of thing. Zag >>looks like Kendrapara, Allende looks like Vigarano, Saint Severin >>is indistinguishable from Ensisheim, all are hundreds if not >>thousands of $$$ different in per gram value. >&g
t;Trust is all we have, lose it and you lose confidence in the hobby >>and many collectors who get burned will be gone at that first bad >>experience. >>Michael Farmer >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fowler" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Cc: "Michael Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:06 PM >>Subject: [meteorite-list] ET re Another fake name, serious business >> >> >>>I'm with Mike Farmer on this. >>> >>>First, to lay out the issues without any name calling is NOT >>>mudslinging. >>> >>>Second, think of the following analogy. I rob a bank and get >>>caught red handed. Someone contacts me privately and offers me a >>>chance to return the money and my identity will never be revealed >>>to the public. Do you think the public's interest i
s served? >>> >>>If Mr. Thompson has a good explanation, I'm sure he will make it >>>known and each list member can make his own evaluation. >>> >>>Meantime I think this is a very serious business. I've invested >>>many thousands of dollars in my meteorite collection. How am I to >>>know if what I paid for is what I'm told it is? It is based on >>>trust. If various dealers are claiming to be selling material >>>that they don't have and maybe others are relying on "pairings" >>>based on looks or an opinion where does it end? This could be >>>just the tip of the iceberg. >>> >>>For example, I bought a piece of Lueders, a Silicated Iron. To me >>>it looks a lot like a piece of silicated campo, What's the >>>difference, they're both IAB Irons? Well, one is worth 5-10 >>>times as much as the other. Once trust in the sellers of >>>
;meteorites breaks down, it would call into question the value of >>>all the rare material in our collections!! >>> >>>From what I've heard so far, I'm not likely to ever take my >>>chances on a dealer who does not adhere to nomcom rules. >>>And equally unlikely to purchase from persons who ridicule >>>attempts to keep the selling of meteorites from descending into >>>an >>>bottomless pit of unverifiable pairings and unauthorized number >>>piggybacking. >>> >>>My 2 cents. >>> >>>Mike Fowler >>>Chicago >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>Michael Blood wrote: >>> >>> The issue I made is NOT who is right or wrong. >>> If you were to post a very similar announcement, >>>saying you had addressed this issue with ET and was told to take >&g
t;>a >>>long walk off a short pier and he didn't care what you thought >>>about what he was doing and you think collectors should be >>>aware this is going on - THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT >>>situation. >>> Instead, you FIRST publicly chastise him. Whatever >>>is going on - that is a poor start at ANY attempt for remedy, >>>regardless of the circumstances involved. You don't know >>>what is take on the situation is - you haven't even addressed >>>the issue with him. MAYBE there is a good explanation - MAYBE >>>there isn't. MAYBE he looked at it one way and will change his >>>perspective once he hears what you have to say - MAYBE he >>>won't.... we don't know, because YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM >>>ABOUT IT. >>> There are a good many of us who will be far more >>>interested in ANY issue you have with any other dealer IF you >>>
report civil attempts to resolve the issue on your part met >>>with a lack of cooperation on their part. >>> THEN I start wondering what is going on. Then I start >>>listening to the content. However, when it is a one way mud >>>throwing event, all I see is mud throwing - the content is >>>unimportant to me if the process isn't clean. >>> Other than that, thanks for a relatively civil response >>>on >>>your part. >>> Sincerely, Michael >>> >>>--------------------------------------------- >>> >>>______________________________________________ >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >>______________________________________________ >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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