Hello Stan,
Your eBay ad started on October 9th where you clearly stated "...There is no
offical word on pairings yet - this is an assumption on my part...", (you
added Aarosnon's number a few days after you started your auction without
proper lab confirmation and NWA number). And "again" Stan, Adam Aaronson did
NOT supply me with my NWA 2999 material. Where do you get this
misinformation? Ask Adam Aaronson, he and I had a fine conversation earlier
this year as to when he got his material, "after" I had mine already in the
lab for quite some time and very well studied by Drs Irving, Kuehner and
others before additional material surfaced at NAU. I do not understand you.
Just be patient, get the details straight and a license to drive before you
go roaring out of the gates.
I hear coat-tailing, plagiarism, stealing of ideas, descriptions and all of
the like are a form of flattery, please keep from flattering me so much, it
is getting very annoying to say the least!
Best regards,
Greg
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Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
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IMCA 3163
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----- Original Message -----
From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
Adam,
Are you and your brother blind? here it is spelled out in crayon for you -
i have highligted the portion of my auction that you both have claimed
dont exist in red - please scroll down all the way and READ the entire
description:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5415/adamandgregkp9.jpg
Still think I'm the one jumping the gun?
I personally am at a loss as to why you would say that this material
doesnt look like 2999 unless my photography just plain sucks (i'll admit
to this possibility) - every piece i have looks EXACTLY like photos you
have posted. Blaine Reed thinks that this stone looks EXACTLY like your
material. Adam Aaronson (the original source for ALL of this material
AFIK) thinks this stone looks EXACTLY like your material. At least one
scientist I have spoken with thinks that this material looks EXACTLY like
your material.
on the subject of nwa 3133/1839 - you had said that the reason for your
belief that the stones were not paired was based upon new isotopse
analysis (other than oxygen) do you have any actual data that you can
share that will back up your claim? I'd be most interested in it.
FWIW claims about pairings on this stone/2999 and on 1839/3133 were not my
own - In both cases I have put forth all the avalible information I have
on the material as well as citing the source of the claim in question.
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stan,
Nowhere in your auction did you say that a provisional number was
assigned. It is simple, use your own NWA numbers from now on whether they
are provisional or not. It is dangerous to make pairing statements, let
the scientists do their job in this regard and make it formal. You made
pairing statements in the past that were found to be in error (NWA
1839/3133) and this new item looks nothing like any piece of NWA 2999 I
have seen so I can understand Greg's concern. Greg went through the
trouble of removing a type sample from each of the 12 stones just to make
sure what he is offering is the real deal. I think you owe him an apology
for jumping the gun on this one.
Adam
----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
Greg
why dont you bother to read the whole gosh darned ebay listing before you
accuse me of self pairing and asking me if i'm a scientist - to avoid
making yourself look like a fool who is just trying to protect his market
share without giving a rat's behind about the collectors.
My ebay ad specifically states that NAU has ALREADY determined this
material to be an angrite - and that the material is (provisional) NWA
2934. All that Dr. Bunch was waiting on before making this offical is the
remainder of the type specimin deposit since Adam Aaronson's sample (the
same source for Boswell's material and yours as well AFIK) was bellow the
20g requirement. the remainder of this mass he should have by next week
the postal services willing.
Now i guess you could argue that Dr. Bunch might not know what he is
doing and i shouldnt offer the material till the classification is voted
on by the nomcom - but since Dr. Bunch co-authored the 'case for mercury'
paper AND took part in the classification of nwa 2999 I personally think
his word on the matter is good enough for me. I fully disclosed that the
number is provisional and that the assumption of pairing was based upon
information from my source. I dont see what kind of (legitimate)
complaint you might have.
I have maybe another 5g of this material that is 'extra' to my collection
from opening up the cut face on the stone i bought and removing material
to finialize the type specimin donation. No need to worry about my
flooding the market greg - after that 5g you can go back to selling the
stuff for as much money as you can get.
now why dont YOU do the right thing and apologize to the list for this
BS.
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Dear Stan and List Members,
Stan wrote:
"...an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows off translucent
augite..."
Stan, this looks like very bad business ethics in a few ways, especially
in undermining collector confidence in what YOU sell. Your eBay title
reads, "new NWA angrite meteorite possible NWA 2999/3164 pairs". This
appears to be more self-pairing, are you a scientist? What is YOUR NWA
number that was assigned to this material which actually looks like your
ureilite a while back you claimed as "pallasite-like" (now that phrase
sounds familiar!!).
When I discovered NWA 2999 (the real McCoy!), there were only 12
complete stones in which I cut every single one of them and provided
material to have thin sections made to determine they were all paired,
which they were. Here is a link to a photo of those twelve OFFICIAL NWA
2999 stones: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2999/nwa2999a.jpg (notice how
they are all flat on bottom where I cut a piece off for thin sections).
There were however, a couple additional "potential angrite" stones that
proved not to be angrite material so you need to have the scientists do
their job and get an officially assigned NWA number for your material,
whatever it may be. This needs to be done with all suspected meteorites,
especially as rare and important as an angrite! In your eBay ad you
state the material was purchased for you from someone at the Denver
Show, most likely a Moroccan who made the pairing is my guess and we
know what happens when you go strictly by their word, or even anyone
else such as yourself in this case.
Do the right thing, get it analyzed by a lab and have an NWA number
assigned, the meteorite community deserves this of ALL of this type of
thing. I see the coat-tailing happening again, not just with you, but
with other self-made "scientists" who do not do the right thing.
Best regards,
Greg
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Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMCA 3163
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----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
hello all....
i have a handfull of ebay auctions running right now that end in about
2 days. closing starting 19:00 PDT on monday the 16th. included in this
grouping are some more great seymchans, a micro of nwa 2737 the
chassignite, a nice shock veined shergotitte endcut, a new low TKW
acapulcoite that is unpaired with the other ACAP material floating
around recently, an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows
off translucent augite, an awsome piece of nwa 801 CR2, and a few more
than i'm probably not remembering to mention.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
TIA!
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