Pete, at the time, Dr Wasson was one of the only people working on iron meteorites. I tried to submit it via other labs, when they heard that Dr. Wasson was working on it, they declined. Michael Farmer --- Pete Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>he ignored me, and sat on the > information for years > > Hi, List, > This may be a silly question, but if one location of > analysis is a bit > tardy, is it unethical to send another sample to > another lab? > > Cheers, > Pete > > > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fredericksburg > meteorite and politics > ofscience > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:34:48 -0700 (PDT) > > Dirk, I have no idea, but it is clearly a personal > issue with Dr. Wasson. I gave them more than 500 > grams > of a meteorite, I was never contacted again, or > thanked for that gift. I was further ignored for > nearly a decade when time and time again, I > requested > data. > That there could be an argument about who was on the > meteorite first, well, this is the real world. Dr > Wasson had years to buy the meteorite. He did not, > he > got angry when the owner decided to sell to me. I > saw > the emails, asking time and time again that Dr. > Wasson > make a decision on the meteorite, all unanswered. > Can ANYONE see a problem then, with me forking over > $100 bills, HUNDREDS of them, when the owner offered > the meteorite to me? Mr Wasson was then outraged > that > I snatched the meteorite from UCLA! That is > laughable. > So after I gave him for free something that I have > paid thousands for, he ignored me, and sat on the > information for years. This is true professionalism > in > science right there! > Michael Farmer > --- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Open letter to the LIST and the NOMCOM and > > Meteoritics > > Researchers, > > > > Mike Farmer and others have brought up the > question > > of > > ethics and politics in meteoritics among > > researchers. > > Two examples that come to mind are Fredricksburg > and > > NWA 869. > > Does the NOMCOM have an ethics committte or a > > special committe that is assigned to researching > > scientific misconduct and other problems within > the > > research community and the NOMCOM itself? > > If you know of other research misconduct please > > feel > > free to write about it on this list or privately. > > Thank you, Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > --- Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > List members. > > > I must express my disappointment with Jason for > > > quipping that the fact that the Fredericksburg > > > meteorite has not been classified, thus is not > a > > > meteorite. Jason, here are you exact words "It > > would > > > be something like calling > > > Fredericksburg (remember that Hexahedrite from > a > > few > > > years ago?) an approved meteorite - it's never > > been > > > mentioned in the bulletin or elsewhere, so how > can > > > you?" > > > > > > Jason, you know it is a meteorite, and you know > > why > > > it > > > has not been approved. Politics and personal > > grudge > > > has turned science into a farce. John Wasson at > > UCLA > > > (the top iron meteorite scientist in the world" > > > refuses to submit it since I bought it. He > > > classified > > > it, confirmed with the owner that it was a > > > Hexahedrite > > > that was not paired to any other known > meteorite, > > > and > > > tried to buy it. He did not try very hard, as > he > > had > > > several years head-start on me. The owner sent > > many > > > faxes and emails to Dr. Wasson, who did not > > respond > > > for more than one year. Tired of waiting, the > > owner > > > found me on eBay, called me, and we made a > price. > > I > > > was in Alaska only days later, cash in hand and > > saw > > > the copies of emails. He told me he needed > money > > and > > > could no longer wait on UCLA, which did not > return > > > his > > > emails/faxes and phone calls. The emails I saw > > were > > > very clear, asking Dr. Wasson to get in touch > with > > > him > > > and finalize a price and purchase agreement. > Those > > > phone calls, faxes, and emails all went > unanswered > > > for > > > nearly a year. > > > > > > Only days after announcing that I had bought > the > > > meteorite, I received a rather terse and abrupt > > > email > > > from Dr. Wasson, angry that I had bought "his > > > meteorite" and he demanded a large piece for > UCLA > > > since they had done the work on the meteorite. > I > > > sent > > > them an end cut weighing more than 500 grams > > > (Perhaps > > > as much as 800 grams, I can't remember because > > that > > > was more than seven years ago). I never heard > one > > > more > > > word from Dr. Wasson, not a "thank you" or > > anything. > > > I > > > emailed him numerous times requesting the > > > classification data, with no response. I heard > > > through > > > other scientists that he was quite angry with > me > > for > > > buying what he felt was his meteorite. > > > It has now been more than seven years since I > > bought > > > Fredericksburg, I don't even remember the exact > > > year, > > > but in that time, it has all been sold off. > > > > > > Did I leave anything out? Do you know more > about > > > this? > > > Can I ask what you are calling me on? If UCLA > > could > > > not make a decision or raise the funds years > after > > > knowing about this meteorite, then I think the > > loss > > > was due to their own lack of interest and > > > follow-through and ignoring the repeated > requests > > of > > > the man trying to sell them the meteorite. The > > owner > > > needed money, and years > > > after asking UCLA for it, decided to sell to > > myself. > > > > > > So actually, more than seven years after I > bought > > > the > > > meteorite, and provided more than 500 grams to > > > UCLA, > > > Dr Wasson refuses to finish the job he started > > years > > > before I ever heard of the meteorite. I guess > === message truncated === ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list