Randy, thank you very much for taking the time to provide your detailed 
analysis of the evidence at hand.
You,ve provided me and all who read your email with substantial evidence to 
convince us that your conclusions are based on a myriad of experimental data.

Jerry Flaherty
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Korotev 
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorites from the farside


  At 20:53 24-07-07 Tuesday, you wrote:


    Thank you David. I didn't want to sound so skeptical. Remote sensing 
"suggests" is what I was refering to.
    I definitely want to believe that farside rocks are in my possession. Just 
need some returned specimens for confirmation.



  Jerry, and list:

  To the best of my knowledge, about half of the lunar meteorites come from the 
farside and the other half from the nearside.  (And, with a bow to Jim Strope, 
that means that half come from DARK side and the other half from the not-dark 
side.)  I have heard no arguments that strongly challenge the assumption "lunar 
meteorites come from randomly distributed locations on the Moon," except for 
the one below.  That one is irrelevant to us in that any point on the Moon is 
in the "trailing half" half half of the time. [If I misunderstand this, please 
let me know.]

  On the basis of dynamical modeling calculations, Gladman et al. (1995) make 
the following statements [with my comments in square brackets]:

  "The earth should be uniformly covered with lunar meteorites [!], and there 
is no bias for or against Antarctica on dynamical grounds [!!]..."

  "We thus conclude that the discovery location on the Earth imparts no 
information as to where on the Moon a lunar meteorite was launched.  
Nevertheless Fig. 4 demonstrates that objects launched with high velocity (more 
than 2.6 km/sec [lunar escape velocity is 2.4 km/sec]) have an extreme bias 
toward coming from the trailing half of the lunar surface if those particles 
are delivered to Earth without ever escaping geocentric orbit." [Some lunar 
meteoroids meteorites go into heliocentric orbit, however.]

  "If the 4[pi] CRE [cosmic-ray exposure] of an object could be shown to be 
only a few days [it can't] (so that the meteorite arrived via "direct" 
transfer), then one might be able to deduce more, especially if the ejection 
velocity and angle were known... Since such information is unlikely to be 
available [correct!], we must conclude that dynamics can do little to narrow 
down the source regions of lunar meteorites."

  So, theory doesn't help us.


  It has become fashionable, if not expected, in scientific papers about new 
lunar meteorites to speculate about where on the Moon a meteorite is likely to 
have originated.  I've done it myself.  The truth, however, is that we do not 
know with certainty where ANY given lunar meteorite comes from.  All of the 
statement in the literature by geochemists and geologists are based on a few 
observations and some assumptions:

  1) The high-thorium region of the Moon (the "PKT") is on the nearside.  There 
are no high-Th regions on the farside, although the SPA (South Pole-Aiken) 
region is a bit enriched in Th.  Therefore, if a lunar meteorite has high 
concentrations of Th, then it most likely comes from the nearside.  I'd say 
this assumption has a 99+% chance of being correct for SaU 169 and NWA 
4472/4485.  Gnos et al. (2004) speculate about the exact crater for SaU 169, 
but it is just speculation.  We have studied samples from the Apollo 12 
missions that are indistinguishable from SaU 169, and that site is 450 km from 
the crater advocated by Gnos et al. (They still might be right, however.)  I 
used to think that Calcalong Creek originated from the PKT, too, but now that 
we've obtained our own analysis of Calcalong Creek (which is not the focus of 
abstract, below), we note that it and Dhofar 961 have some "funny" geochemical 
characteristics that suggest to me that they ARE NOT from anywhere near the 
Apollo sites, which were all on the nearside.  That makes it more likely (but 
hard to quantify) that they come from the SPA area and, therefore, the farside. 

  http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2007/pdf/5257.pdf

  2) There are more maria (the dark "eyes or "seas") on the nearside, and the 
maria are rich in iron because the maria consist of basalt.  So, a given 
basaltic lunar meteorite is most likely to come from the nearside than the 
farside.  However, there are also maria on the farside, so maybe one or two of 
the basaltic meteorites originates from the farside.  

  The first lunar meteorite, ALHA 81005, was low in iron and thorium.  That led 
me (for example!) to state "The low LIL [large-ion-lithophile, like thorium] 
element concentrations of 81005 are consistent with an origin distant from the 
KREEP-rich Imbrium-Procellarum region [PKT, Apollo sites], possibly on the 
lunar farside" (Korotev et al., 1983).  Others said the same thing (it wasn't 
really a profound observation) and have continued to say so about new lunar 
meteorites because the statement sounds neat.  Now, about half the lunar 
meteorites are, in fact, feldspathic and low in iron and thorium.  

  http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/chemclass/chemclass.htm

  Because a larger fraction of the farside real estate is low in iron and 
thorium, more than half of the feldspathic lunar meteorites probably DO come 
from the farside.  We just don't know which ones. 

  Recently, some colleagues have been claiming that Dhofar 489 (and its many 
pairs) IS from the farside.  (David Weir listed some abstracts yesterday.)  In 
my opinion, their logic is faulty (Korotev et al., 1996).  Dhofar 489 COULD 
come from the farside, but the probability is no more likely than that for any 
other feldspathic lunar meteorite.  

  We have good reason to believe that the surface of the Moon is contaminated 
to varying degrees by thorium that has been redistributed from the PKT by 3.9 
billion years of small impacts.  After all, if a small impact can put a Moon 
rock on Earth, it can also drop a rock anywhere on the lunar surface.  So, if a 
lunar regolith (soil) breccia, all of which are made from near-surface 
materials, has a low concentration of Th, then I agree that it probably comes 
from a point very distant from the PKT, probably the farside.  But, Dhofar 489 
et al. is an impact-melt breccia, which was probably formed by a large impact 
that melted material mainly beneath the regolith.  The material of Dhofar 489 
was below the zone of impact mixing.  A kilometer or so beneath any point in 
the feldspathic highlands, iron and thorium are low.  So, a low-Th impact-melt 
breccia could come from the nearside or the farside.  In fact, low-Th 
impact-melt breccias were found at the Apollo 16 site.  So, in the particular 
cases of Dhofar 489 (and NWA 482, another melt breccia) the low iron and 
thorium concentrations are not strong arguments in favor farside origin.  

  So, yes, "Remote sensing 'suggests'..."  and, if you have several feldspathic 
lunar meteorites, particularly if you have a regolith breccia with <0.3 ppm Th, 
there's a real good chance that you have a farside rock.

  Randy Korotev



  References

  Gladman B. J., Burns J. A., Duncan M. J., Levison H. F. (1995) The dynamical 
evolution of lunar impact ejecta.  Icarus, v. 118, p. 302-321. 

  Gnos E., Hofmann B. A., Al-Kathiri A., Lorenzetti S., Eugster O., Whitehouse 
M. J., Villa I., Jull A. J. T., Eikenberg J., Spettel B., Krähenbühl U., 
Franchi I. A., and Greenwood G. C. (2004) Pinpointing the source of a lunar 
meteorite: Implications for the evolution of the Moon. Science 305, 657-659.
   
  Korotev R. L., Lindstrom M. M., Lindstrom D. J., and Haskin L. A. (1983)  
Antarctic meteorite ALHA81005 - Not just another lunar anorthositic norite.  
Geophysical Research Letters 10, 829-832. 

  Korotev R. L., Zeigler R. A., and Jolliff B. L. (2006) Feldspathic lunar 
meteorites Pecora Escarpment 02007 and Dhofar 489: Contamination of the surface 
of the lunar highlands by post-basin impacts. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 
70, 5935-5956. 




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