Hi, EP, Paul, List, A problem here is that Bottke draws on this SAME evidence to prove it's an asteroid, just as EP points to that evidence to prove it's a comet!
The Chicxulub found fragment is carbonaceous, so a carbonaceous asteroid is an obvious choice! But since the difference between a "comet" and an "asteroid" seems to be chiefly a matter of its degree of hydration along a continuum of formation, it could mean a comet, too. (The lack of comet samples to match the asteroid samples that we do have makes this an argument without evidence.) The "Nemesis" hypothesis is not Morrison's but Richard Muller's: http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/lbl-nem.htm , published in Nature (Davis, Hut, & Muller (v. 308, pp 715-717, 1984)). The so-called "Nemesis" hypothesis is usually badly misunderstood. Everybody looked at the proposed 26my eccentric orbit and blew it off as "unstable" on the "short" timescale of less than a billion years, which it is. Because, sooner or later a passing star would (will? has?) perturbed its orbit badly, altering in a major way, or setting it free of the Sun to wander on its own. It IS unstable over the NEXT billion years, but that's because, at solar formation, its life expectancy was about 5.0 to 5.5 billion years. 4.5 down, and a only little while to go... What they missed is that THAT has become the chief strong (rather than weak) point in Muller's theory: http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf , where (2002) he revises his original 1984 hypothesis, to reflect new data. And, the conclusions of his 2002 paper on impacts have since been verified by other (non-aligned) studies. Impacts are UP lately ("lately" meaning the last half billion years). Here's how "Nemesis" goes now. Imagine that the Sun has a nice little red dwarf star companion that you'd hardly notice in a stable and not-too-eccentric orbit for billions of years, causing no harm, doing no damage, tossing no comets, because it never comes close to its big brother star and its private herd of comets. THEN, about 0.5 to 0.8 billion years ago, a passing star perturbs that stable not-too-eccentric orbit into the 26my long elipse that clips through the Oort Cloud and sets loose the comets to fall into the inner system. (There are nice diagrams in that paper cited above, on Lunar Impacts. I love a good diagram...) And as long as we're arguing about the attribution of strong but unproven hypotheses, the "rain of comets" to the inner solar system by a big perturbation of the Oort Cloud was first suggested by Hills in 1981, NOT by Napier and Clube. They refined it slightly and pushed it, but it's not their baby, well, OK, adopted... Its chief disadvantage of "Nemesis" is that it is a totally ad hoc hypotheses and virtually impossible to prove or disprove, UNLESS you find the star. IF there is a "Nemesis," it will be found by the current "super-surveys" (like Pan Starrs or LSST) or future even more powerful All Sky Surveys, one of many thousand dim little stars that are loitering in the neighborhood and trying to look harmless. Just you wait thirty years or so... Muller is assuming that Nemmy is a little red dwarf, but it could also be an even smaller star, one of the newly discovered but numerous L-Class dwarves. Their distribution is such that, given that our star is typical, there should be a 50-50 chance of an L dwarf within 0.75 light year, closer than the original "Nemesis" star proposed distance. (A light year is 63,239.7 AU, more or less. The Oort Cloud goes out to 50,000 AU? 80,000 AU? Nobody knows...) So, an L dwarf could be right on the edge of or even IN the Oort Cloud! Periodically, at least. There are at least TWO astronomers claiming evidence for a massive object perturbing the Ort Cloud, based on the anomalous distribution of Ort Cloud comet aphelia: http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/matese.html http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news071.html The only problem is that they are each pointing to a different patch of sky... Two perturbers are harder to swallow than one. I'll wait for a picture of Sol b. There is a big and delicate problem with all the "nearby star" proposals --- it has to be big enough to make the comets twitchy but NOT big enough to leave gravitational fingerprints on the solar system. This is getting long. Let's call it PART ONE. Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New KT asteroid injection theory Hi Paul, list, The problem with this new theory is that what hit appears to have been a comet: http://www.scn.org/~bh162/meteorite.html Furthermore, the injection mechanism has been identified as gravity perturbations due to our solar system passing through the plane of our galaxy, which theory agrees with 26 million year chaotically cyclical pattern in mass extinctions: http://www.csmate.colostate.edu/cltw/cohortpages/viney_old1/massextinctionchart.html http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/crater.html The physical evidence would seem to validate Clube and Napier's and the Italian dynamicists' work. Morrison's "Nemisis" hypothesis and Firstone's new hypothesis both appear to be mistaken, and it is most likely that these gentlemen's are as well. E.P. 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