Eric, I don't know what you agree with but I sell with 100% honesty. I have no west to sell. I do not see how it serves Mike Farmer to rant like this. I am (was) a good customer of his. I have many meteorites from him. I think he must be crazy. Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not going to buy into this Hammer crap. Good for you. I don't either. I collect based on material. I don't even need another ordinary chondrite. from West or East or places between. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829
---- Meteorites USA <e...@meteoritesusa.com> wrote: > I have to agree with Mike. Use common sense, cut the crap definitions > and stop trying to up-sell the public with bogus hammer claims. Leave > the defining to the person who first used the term hammer. > > If I offend anyone with these remarks I invite your wrath with open > arms. Most people I'm sure would agree that a hammer is any single > meteorite (NOT AN ENTIRE FALL) that hit an inanimate man-made object or > structure, or living creature, humans included. > > If it crashes into or through a roof? HAMMER > If it crashes into or through a wall? HAMMER > If it crashes into or through a car? HAMMER > If it crashes into or through a building? HAMMER > > If it lands on a golf course? NOT A HAMMER! > If it hits a golf cart? HAMMER > > The point is this could go on forever. Let the buyer decide, and use > common sense in your marketing. Don't fabricate or exaggerate. How hard > is that to understand? > > Legal definitions are the freaking problem (not the term) as too often > these terms throw common sense to the wind and substitute it with BS! > > Regards, > Eric > > > > > Michael Farmer wrote: > > Carl, you are a major part of this problem. > > For example, you still keep selling Carancas on ebay quoting them as "Haag > > Collection" pieces. This is an outright lie! Bob told me last year that he > > asked you to stop doing that. Haag went to Carancas as a partner of yours, > > he brought back all the material and gave you your share, then he sold me > > the rest of his share. Now, you pretend that all of the pieces are from the > > Haag collection, simply becuase he had possesion of them for a hew hours. > > This is a tactic that "used-car" salesmen use and it is not true. You are > > trying to get more $$$$ by dropping Bob's name. > > > > Now, this "hammer" issue is one and the same, a total crock of bullshit. > > Anyone with even the most simple common sense can tell when a meteorite > > impacts something that makes it stand out, then the "hammer" term makes > > sense. Hitting a dirt pile at a pond is BORING. Any collector who buys into > > that shit deserves to lose their money if they pay based on that being a > > "hammer". As I said before, there is nothing wrong with giving as much data > > about where each stone was found and it is great that this particular piece > > was found by Steve's wife on a pond dam. If you try to sell me that piece 5 > > years from now, and try to get me to pay more for that fact, I will laugh > > you out of the house. > > Now, if you have a housesmasher, I would be much more interested. > > By the way, I have great photos of the West househitter and embedded > > shingle fragments in the stone. I am keeing the location secret, as I want > > the stone. There are at least 7 people on this list in my group who saw > > that stone. > > > > If you have to explain why you consider the stone as a hammer, then it > > likely is not one. To scrape the bottom of the barrel in pretending every > > other stone a hammer is killing this business. > > > > Michael Farmer > > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, cdtuc...@cox.net <cdtuc...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > >> From: cdtuc...@cox.net <cdtuc...@cox.net> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, meteorh...@aol.com, "Michael > >> Farmer" <meteorite...@yahoo.com> > >> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:34 PM > >> Okay Michael. > >> Now you added this to the equation; > >> --"An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still just > >> dirt. No damage could be > >> done to it." > >> Now are you saying damage has to be done to it???? > >> How much damage was done to the guys roof and do you have > >> photos to prove it??? > >> Not that we don't trust you but if you insist damage must > >> be done then lets see the damage? > >> And by the way if these are hammers or not hammers this is > >> not going to send your business down the drain unless you > >> let it. Everyone seems to have an opinion here but the use > >> of the word stupid by Greg is uncalled for. Michael Blood > >> will clear this up without any name calling. > >> I hope. Carl > >> > >> -- Michael Farmer <meteorite...@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Yes, I saw that the email was mostly a joke, and > >>> > >> congrats on the stone. > >> > >>> But we must get this under control. A pile of dirt is > >>> > >> nothing more than a pile of dirt. Carl seems to think that > >> anything touched by man would make a meteorite a "hammer > >> stone". This is a crock of crap, and while I ignored this > >> discussion a couple of weeks ago, I can not sit back and > >> watch my business go down the drain by trying to lump every > >> stone as a hammer. I know of one hammer in West, a 124 gram > >> stone hit a house, bounced off and landed in the yard. The > >> homeowner picked it up and the stone has shingles embedded > >> in it. I am still trying to buy the stone, but the owner has > >> money and really has no interest in selling it. That is a > >> hammer stone. It is the only hammer stone I know of from > >> West, that is definitive. > >> > >>> We can not allow people to continue to demean > >>> > >> meteorites by attempting to say that dirt roads and > >> driveways make hammer stones. > >> > >>> Smash a car, computer printer, rooftop, or cow and you > >>> > >> have a hammer. > >> > >>> An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still > >>> > >> just dirt. No damage could be done to it. A stone landing in > >> the dirt 20 feet away but not on the dam is no different > >> that a stone on the dam. > >> > >>> Michael Farmer > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, meteorh...@aol.com > >>> > >> <meteorh...@aol.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>> From: meteorh...@aol.com > >>>> > >> <meteorh...@aol.com> > >> > >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer > >>>> To: meteorite...@yahoo.com, > >>>> > >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:01 PM > >>>> In a message dated 3/18/2009 12:50:33 > >>>> P.M. Central Daylight Time, > >>>> meteorite...@yahoo.com > >>>> writes: > >>>> > >>>> Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it > >>>> > >> a > >> > >>>> hammer. > >>>> > >>>> . > >>>> > >>>> Mike and all, > >>>> > >>>> While I will leave the interpretation of > >>>> > >> "hammer" up > >> > >>>> to the beholder, the > >>>> post was indeed more of a joke, or double > >>>> > >> entendre > >> > >>>> . But it did hit the dam. > >>>> And my "congrats" going out to my wife was not > >>>> > >> a > >> > >>>> joke, that was sincere. > >>>> > >>>> I am NOT asking a premium on this rock above > >>>> > >> any of > >> > >>>> the others I am selling, > >>>> just because it hit the dam. > >>>> > >>>> Although since it was found AFTER the heavy > >>>> > >> rains, I am > >> > >>>> actually discounting > >>>> it below what I would be selling it for if it was > >>>> > >> picked up > >> > >>>> earlier, as I am > >>>> with all the Post-rain recovery specimens. > >>>> > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>> **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - > >>>> > >> Starting at > >> > >>>> $479 > >>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub > >>>> leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> > > ______________________________________________ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > http://www.meteoritesusa.com > 904-236-5394 > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
