There is no map.
Jeff
On 12/19/2010 12:05 PM, Greg Catterton wrote:
Is there a "map" that shows the areas of what is covered under NWA? If not, I
think it would be useful to have one, not only for talking to people about meteorites but
also for anyone who sells or collects NWA material.
Being able to show where and what NWA is would go a long way.
As for the laws - I am not sure I know enough to offer an answer. It is
something I am currently researching however.
> From what I have seen, Algeria seems like a place that is not export friendly
(not too safe either!) and would require export permits to legally own, just as
Canada, Australia, Argentina, Brazil and many other countries.
Does anyone know more about this or have a site/page set up on meteorite laws
and exporting? I think it would be a good resource to have available.
Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Jeff Grossman<jgross...@usgs.gov> wrote:
From: Jeff Grossman<jgross...@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quick Question about Sahara xxxxx finds
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:52 AM
Parts of Algeria are included in the
definition of NWA.
As for export laws, you tell me!
Jeff
On 12/19/2010 11:34 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
Thanks for the info Jeff. I have a couple
questions...
Algeria, Niger, and Libya were all possible
collection
areas, and these are not in the NWA area, which is
defined
as "Morocco and adjacent parts of the surrounding
countries."
If this is the case, how do recent Lunars like NWA
2996, 4483 and 5151 become NWA stones when they were found
in Algeria?
Given export laws (however foolish they are) shouldnt
these require export permits to own like Canadian and
Argentina falls since Algeria does not allow export?
Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Jeff Grossman<jgross...@usgs.gov>
wrote:
From: Jeff Grossman<jgross...@usgs.gov>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Quick Question about
Sahara xxxxx finds
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:44 AM
There are several issues and a
misconception here.
Misconception: The Nomenclature Committee (NomCom)
does not
change the names of meteorites once they are
accepted,
except in extraordinary circumstances (e.g., the
Gao/Guenie
nomenclatural nightmare). To do so would
cause endless
confusion. All of the Nova meteorites were
named that
way when they were initially published in the
Bulletin.
The "Sahara" series, which were collected and
so-named by
the Labenne family, predates the "NWA" series by
several
years. In the late 1997, the Sahara
meteorites were
being sold under this name, several groups of
scientists
wanted to publish on them, and the NomCom had to
figure out
what to do about their names. The choices
were to
accept these names, convince the Labennes to
rename them, or
to rename them ourselves for the official
announcement. For several reasons, Sahara
was
accepted. First, the names were already
coming into
widespread use, and renaming them would cause a
mess.
Second, it was understood that the coordinates
would be
released, perhaps in five years, once the area was
hunted
out (this never happened, but I still hope it
will).
The vote to establish the NWA series came in 2000,
when it
became clear that the Saharan nomenclature problem
was
growing in magnitude. It seems possible
that, had the
Labenne meteorites appeared after this date,
NomCom would
have insisted that they all be called NWA.
But
probably not: we thought that Tunisia,
eastern
Algeria, Niger, and Libya were all possible
collection
areas, and these are not in the NWA area, which is
defined
as "Morocco and adjacent parts of the surrounding
countries."
Given all of this, probably the ideal names for
the Labenne
meteorites would have been Sahara 001 - Sahara
xxx, but what
was done was done.
Jeff
On 12/18/2010 2:25 PM, Greg Catterton wrote:
Many will provide false information or not any
at all
to keep the location secret. There is a discussion
elsewhere
currently about a finder lying about the location
to secure
the material available.
Algeria has laws preventing the export of
meteorites,
yet there are new ones coming out everyday. Even
recent
Lunars from there are accepted and sold. All one
has to do
is simply say NWA.
Berduc was the same way, many were transported
outside
the country and claimed to have been found
elsewhere.
I have seen many others questioned about
locations and
even know of one person who has outright lied
about where a
stone was recovered to keep from paying the land
owner the
share agreed on and created a laughable story of
the find
that has been published with so many flaws, it
looks like a
scam ad on ebay. I bet some of you have a piece of
it in
your collection and dont even know the whole story
behind
it!
I think it happens more then we would really
want to
know.
Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
--- On Sat, 12/18/10, Michael Gilmer<meteoritem...@gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Michael Gilmer<meteoritem...@gmail.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Quick Question
about
Sahara xxxxx finds
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Saturday, December 18, 2010, 1:51
PM
Hi Listees,
I have a quick question for the group and
maybe
someone
here can shed
some light on this subject....
Meteorites that do not have find
coordinates or
have
falsified find
coordinates are typically given the
"Nova"
designation by
NonCom or if
they are from Northwest Africa, they are
given the
"NWA"
designation.
In a handful of cases, a named meteorite
was later
changed
to a "Nova"
because it was discovered that the find
coordinates were
incorrect or
dubious.
So, why after all of these years does the
Sahara
xxxxx
finds (mostly
Labenne finds) are not referred to as
"NWA" or
"Nova"? It is
well-known that the find coordinates on
the many
of these
Labenne
Sahara finds are falsified, which has hurt
science
and the
provenance
of the specimens. To this day, over
a decade
later,
the true find
coordinates of these specimens have not
been
revealed and
probably
will never be revealed.
Can someone explain the double-standard at
work
here? Is it because
of the pioneering work and
otherwise-respectable
work that
the
Labennes have done - despite the
falsification of
the find
locations?
Why do these Sahara finds get special
treatment,
while
other finds
with dubious locations are lumped under
"NWA" or
"Nova" ?
I realize the NWA designation did not
exist when
the Sahara
finds were
accepted by NonCom, but shouldn't they now
receive
the
Nova
designation? In fact, the NWA
designation
was
created, in part, due
to the confusion created by the Sahara
finds. So why
do they still
get a special place in nomenclature after
all of
this
time?
Best regards,
MikeG
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Gilmer - Galactic
Stone& Ironworks
Meteorites
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
______________________________________________
Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Meteorite-list mailing list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
