Ok guys, time to stop the off topic thread. Thanks, Art
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:00 PM, GREG LINDH <gee...@msn.com> wrote: > > > I'm not a scientist, but from what I've heard and read, huge "solar farms" > in desert areas require a lot of water for cleaning, etc. These "farms" are > put where there is an abundance of sunny days.....the deserts.....where water > is scarce. I live in Precott Valley, AZ. We're already short on water. The > last thing we need is for our water to go to "solar farms". > I'm all for green energy sources....I just don't think they are practical > for producing the huge amounts of energy that a modern society requires. > We need nuclear, oil and coal, in addition to green. > Just my thoughts. > > > Greg L. > > > > >> From: astror...@hotmail.com >> To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:00:22 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER >> >> >> Wind turbines, (1mega watt each) would need millions of them and they only >> work when the wind is between 8 and 38 MPH. >> The Audubon Society hates them for killing migratory and predatory birds... >> Solar, is just that, no storage for the power and only works when the sun is >> shining. The State land use committees hate >> them because they take a lot of land and are ugly.... >> Hydroelectric, Great when you have the available water and it is not >> interfering with protected fish. That these rivers >> remain navigable and the spawning is not interrupted. >> Hey, if they can make a small portable Nuke plant, like the ones on our >> Nuclear fleet, then they sure should be able >> to make small nuke plants that would be safe and built in a controlled >> environment. The USS Ronald Reagan that >> is just off shore Japan is powered by a 250 MW Westinghouse nuke plant... >> Needs refueling every 20 years. >> Dennis O'Miller >> >> >> > From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com >> > To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:29:48 -0700 >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER >> > >> > >> > I wonder how many people have died from solar, wind, and hydroelectric >> > power? >> > >> > You forget the long term impact of radiation exposure. >> > >> > Don't get me wrong, Nuclear power is good when safety precautions are in >> > place, but we seem to wait for disasters and then respond to them. >> > >> > I have been an advocate for 'green' energy since the 1970's, but here in >> > the US, it always gets killed and underfunded. >> > >> > Now let's get back to discussing meteorites. >> > >> > >> > Greg S. >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > > From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net >> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:38:58 -0500 >> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER >> > > >> > > List, >> > > >> > > We are invariably abnormally impressed by the >> > > sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event. >> > > We do not appraise them in a strictly rational >> > > manner when this happens. >> > > >> > > The current application of fear caused by a very >> > > rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily. >> > > For those interested in the actual data, the human >> > > cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power >> > > production are listed below. >> > > >> > > Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the >> > > only period for which data could be collected for all >> > > the means of production. >> > > >> > > All deaths are "immediate" deaths, and the figures >> > > are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries >> > > with less stringent industrial safety requirements >> > > than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet. >> > > >> > > Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000 >> > > deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per >> > > terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were >> > > from the failure of dams and impoundments. >> > > >> > > Coal power production produced about 6400 deaths, >> > > all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per >> > > terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are >> > > included in proportion to the use of coal in direct >> > > power production.) >> > > >> > > Natural Gas power production resulted in some >> > > 1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the >> > > general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year. >> > > >> > > Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers, >> > > for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1% >> > > of the deaths from "safe" environmentally friendly >> > > hydroelectric power. >> > > >> > > The "other fuel," petroleum, is rarely used for power >> > > production but largely for transportation. How deadly, >> > > in these terms, is our transportation power use in >> > > cars and trucks as compared to the cost in life of >> > > power production? >> > > >> > > The U.S. consumed 0.138 teragallons of gasoline >> > > on 2009 (at 4.175 watt-years per gallon), with a >> > > total energy content of a "mere" 0.576 terawatt-years. >> > > Highway deaths in 2009 were 33,963, which yields >> > > 58,943 deaths per terawatt-year of power consumed. >> > > >> > > Clearly, the use of this power source for transport >> > > is many orders of magnitude more dangerous than >> > > the production of electrical power, however it is >> > > accomplished. Our reaction to this horrendous >> > > risk is to complain about how much it costs us to >> > > fill'er up. >> > > >> > > Humans are not rational animals. >> > > >> > > The reduction in overall life expectancy in the >> > > U.S. due to nuclear power production is one-third >> > > of the reduction in life expectancy caused by eating >> > > 8 ounces. of charcoal-broiled steak per week. >> > > >> > > Make mine medium-rare, please. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Sterling K. 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