Hi Gary and all,
I agree Gary with all of what you say. If someone has the choice of buying
from a dealer at a table, or off a website where they have the specimen and
shipping is a couple of days away, why would they search or buy from
wholesalers/retailers from the NWA region? Also a single purchase would have
to be classified if the Moroccan's haven't done this creating more expense,
if it isn't a fall that hasn't been classed yet.
If you don't know that supplier/dealer would you be willing to take a risk
with your funds?? Moroccan dealers won't be able to sell to many of my
customers because they trust me and know what I am offering.
Sorry but most dealers have the customers to sell to and not lone sales from
the desert sands. Best!
--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Fujihara" <fuj...@mac.com>
To: "MeteorList" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite
issuffering
This is not entirely true. First of all retail sales from Morocco to the US
or European markets do not make sense for most collectors who only look to
buy one stone from a particular fall or find. Because Morocco has no paypal
or easy method of funds transfer, a buyer must either wire funds from one's
bank to the seller's bank or use Western Union - both incur high fees that
drive the cost of the single item purchase substantially higher. Add to
that the fact that Chronopost is not dependable or secure, meteorites are
usually shipped by Fedex or UPS courier service, again at a premium price,
which drives the up end cost of the meteorite. Its only viable if buying in
bulk quantities.
So, I do not believe direct marketing of meteorites from Moroccan dealers to
retail buyers (collectors) are a primary cause of increased prices that we
are seeing in the marketplace.
gary
(sorry if this gets posted more than once, third time I'm trying to get this
posted)
On Jun 5, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Count Deiro wrote:
Hi All,
Gentlemen and Ladies...I doubt that the increase in price American and
European dealers are being asked to pay has anything to do with the nomads
developing a heightened sense of value, or an increased skill in
bargaining....or a paucity of meteorites. I believe what has happened to
cause the increase in price and the lack of availabilty in your dealings
with North West African wholesalers is that they have discovered that they
can market directly to retail buyers all over the world with a stroke of a
finger.. The Internet makes it easy and cheap for them to find collectors
and sell retail. The result is that they no longer need to sell material,
especially choice items, at wholesale to you retail dealers.
As all who know me are aware, I am a collector/buyer and have never sold a
meteorite. I hadn't bought my first half dozen meteorites online before I
was contacted directly by "wholesale" dealers out of Africa wishing to
sell me specimens. I received several offers in the past couple of days..
Folks, The wholesalers have become retailers by just cutting out you, the
middlemen. The nomads are, and have always been, the real wholesalers. The
Moroccon's just took awhile to smarten up and learn to use the technology.
Best to all,
Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-----Original Message-----
From: bill kies <parkforest...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Jun 5, 2011 5:13 PM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is
suffering
Carl, your analogy is so flawed it isn't worth debate. When profits
dwindle it's time to find another business. Welcome to free trade and
capitalism Aziz.
Bill
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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:43:16 -0400
From: cdtuc...@cox.net
To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; azizhab...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re : Re : Moroccan business meteorite is
suffering
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Bill,
Aziz's worries are very real here.
Yes, in an ideal world you are correct. But,
Aziz and others make their living buying and selling meteorites. No. you
cannot eat them but, the same can be said about oil and energy in
general.
These dealers are no better off than oil investors. When hedge funds or
anyone else corners a market as they have. The market gets controlled by
them and if you want to stay in business you have to pay the price.
Remember these hedge funds types have a lot of money. They CAN afford to
sit on the material until a willing buyer comes along. It is a lose ,
lose situation.
Market manipulation is very real and until outlawed it will continue to
put undue pressure on the smaller dealers like Aziz and others. They
must either pay the asking price or go out of business. Very sad but
true. So, Aziz must pay the price and hope he can convince others to pay
his new and inflated asking price. In America the opposite is happening
with meteorites. EBay has forced the prices down. So, if you make a
living with eBay you must adjust . If you make a living with Nomads you
must adjust.
Carl
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote".”
---- bill kies wrote:
Exactly. When the seller demands more than the buyer is willing to pay,
the seller either adjusts his prices or keeps his merchandise. Supply
and demand is more applicable to necessities than extravagances. None
of us can eat meteorites, well, most of us can't or won't.
Extremely rare material is an exception I suppose.
Bill
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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 15:08:34 -0700
From: azizhab...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re : [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is
suffering
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
CC: parkforest...@hotmail.com
bill
this is not a good theories, at all,
offer and demand make the rules of prices in the market , there is an
equation
of equilibre between offer and demand , and also rarity,
plusieurs facteurs sont responsable de l'equation des prix , offre
demande ,
rarete , type luxe ou nessecite, besoin anssi de suite,
a plus
aziz h
----- Message d'origine ----
De : bill kies
À : azizhab...@yahoo.com
Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Envoyé le : Dim 5 juin 2011, 23h 20min 38s
Objet : RE: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is
suffering
That's how markets evolve. When suppliers realize the fact that their
unrealistic prices aren't getting them anywhere, they'll loosen up.
It's the
same everywhere.
Bill
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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 07:34:29 -0700
From: azizhab...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
CC: alm...@kconline.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re : Moroccan business meteorite is
suffering
al
if the meteorite are intersting or unique or new unpaired material we
pay a
good
price , we gamble this is the proper term in hope to find planetary
meteorite:
we are lately more gambling than buying meteorite or earth rock that
look like
meteorite,we call those suspecious meteorite and many martian and
lunar come
from those,
but to the fact that some old fall are in sales now for more than
what they
were when found this is also true;
most of the nomade keep there stone because we can't pay the price
they are
asking,
take care
aziz h
The question is will dealers pay more if they can't make any money on
specimens?
Seems like you can buy old falls for as much or less than the new
stuff coming
out of the Sahara. Unless it is something like lunar, martain or
ultra rare
material specimens. Best!
--AL Mitterling
----- Original Message ----- From: "habibi abdelaziz"
To: "meteorite list"
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Moroccan business meteorite is suffering
hello all
price are high very high, , there is no more meteorite found like
old time;
you want to have meteorite in sahara desert you have to pay more ;
and more
and
more
so simpley and so sadly ;
the field are drying , so simple
aziz h
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