Dear Met List, IMCA, and Naveen,
All I can say as of this moment in time is that I'm just completely and
utterly SHOCKED and completely dismayed!!!
I've dealt with Martin in the past (as so many have who read my post)
and had nothing but the highest respect and regards for him as a dealer
and a person!
I just don't understand this at all!!! My heart actually raced as I
read Anne's then Naveen's posts ...I'm still shaking as I try to type
this post!
Nothing more can I say, but if someone like Martin is involved in
deception of this order and magnitude, it REALLY makes it hard to
believe or trust in anyone
involved in our passion! This has lowered my expectations in others to
an even lower level than I could have expected!!!
I don't want to believe any of this, but if the IMCA went to the
extraodinary step of removing members in such a manner, I guess there
must be irrefutable proof and
extremely substantial evidence!!!
With incredulous, and again, most shocked dismay,
Mal
On 8/1/2011 9:57 PM, Naveen Jain wrote:
I just got the conformation from president of IMCA, Anne Black, that Stefan
Ralew and Martin Altman are no longer member of IMCA.
As you may already know, Stefan and Martin were systematically engaged in
mail fraud and wire fraud. I was one of their many victims and decided to
file a complaint against them with IMCA since they were both members of
IMCA. Martin Altman had lured me in by lots of stuff by telling me that he
was a board member of IMCA and I can return anything that I don't want or
like.
I have to thank IMCA board members for their diligent effort in
investigating the complaint. IMCA board members unanimously concluded that
Stefan and Martin needed to honor their obligations and act ethically as a
member of IMCA. IMCA board laid out options for Stefan and Martin to honor
their obligation. They were essentially asked to stop engaging in unethical
and illegal behavior.
See below is my official complaint to IMCA. As I said, IMCA thoroughly
investigated the complaint and IMCA board unanimously voted to force them to
honor their obligation of full refund.
I strongly suspect that Stefan and Martin either sent me the either fake or
low quality meteorite and were afraid to give the refunds for the garbage
that they sold me under deceit and fraud of promising full refund with clear
intent of not honoring the obligation.
I am sending this note to warn all meteorite collectors to watch out so they
don't become their next victim. I will be happy to provide more details if
anyone wants it. I have consulted my legal counsel and probably will file
lawsuit to avoid them from profiting from their illegal activities. I may
also contact my friends at FBI to investigate their mail and wire fraud
scam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "I.M.C.A. International Meteorite Collectors Association"
<[email protected]>
To:<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: IMCA Complaints
Your Name: Naveen Jain
Your E-Mail: [email protected]
Are you an IMCA member?: no
Message: I am a new collector and purchased 9 meteorite specimens from
Martin Altman (director of IMCA). Martin touted his being a director of
IMCA to give me comfort and entice me to buy it from him. I specifically
asked him if I will be able to return any item that I didn't like and he
said that it's their normal practice and part of the German consumer
protection law (see email from him below). The return policy on their
website also clearly states the same i.e. a customer can return any item
within 30 days for a full refund. i contacted them within 24 hours of my
receiving the items that I want to return 2 of the 9 specimens that I
received. They are now refusing to return the item and refund my money. I
am now being told that I am somehow a business customer and my order that
was sold from their stock as shown on their website is somehow a custom
order because it was packed for shipping to US.
I will like to refund everything to them if they have problem returning 2
out of 9 orders.
Here is the email from Martin Altman:
From: Martin Altmann [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
To: Naveen Jain
Subject: AW: Few thoughts..
Hi Naveen,
As we discussed in the past, I am assuming that you will happily return
any of the meteorite that I don't like after I look at them for a full
refund.
Nja."happily". perhaps not :-) ;
But of course that is our business standard.
And btw. here in Germany we have a strong consumers protection. By law we
would be obligated to take back everything sold via internet, if the buyer
returns it within 3 weeks.
Warm regards,
Naveen
Naveen Jain
Founder - Moon Express, Intelius, InfoSpace
Board of Trustee - X Prize Foundation, Singularity University
http://www.linkedin.com/in/naveenjainintelius
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