Such great news The best solution: OEM Reflash Makes me want an NC with FM/Cosworth upgrade
--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Bill Cardell <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill Cardell <[email protected]> Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? To: "nsu Tolich" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "Chad J. Douglas" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 3:41 PM Cosworth pulled the kit after a couple engines popped. Spectacularly good hardware, at the time not so good software. IMHO, software issues were the cause of the problems, not engine strength issues. The kit is back out (we're selling it), Cosworth is out of the business of providing a software solution and we are doing reflashes that work. Brian is helping us test. Bill Cardell TurboDog's Dad www.flyinmiata.com www.fmwestfield.com Sales 1-800-359-6957 Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of nsu Tolich Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:17 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; Chad J. Douglas Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? Chad A good call: Cosworth has issues/had issue with Supercharger on NC. Why don't you ask Goodwin for feedback, or simply talk to Cosworth in LA. I am sure Stephanie followed that thread-news fact- as well. Cosworth nearly stopped selling NC supercharger, I believe/it is my understanding, due to issues with engine management and the piggy back they were using. Ivica --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Chad J. Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: From: Chad J. Douglas <[email protected]> Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 10:38 AM #yiv21988844 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} #yiv21988844 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv21988844 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 #yiv640155554 P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR:windowtext;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.EmailStyle19 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.EmailStyle20 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 SPAN.EmailStyle21 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"sans-serif";} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv21988844 UNKNOWN { MARGIN:1in;} #yiv21988844 #yiv640155554 DIV.WordSection1 { } Stephanie, I don’t mean to suggest anything about the quality of the tune. As OEM ECUs get smarter, they may be able compensate for what a piggyback ECU does. Since Piggys effectively “lie” to the stock ECU or intercept its commands and change them, I was concerned that the stock computer could have trimmed the extra fuel out. From: Stephanie Turner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:34 PM To: Chad J. Douglas; [email protected] Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? 800 miles of tuning says the ECU did not “outsmart” the Xede. Experience tuning 12 NC’s says the Xede was not “outsmarted”. Seriously? I will look up info on the motors and let you know. Stephanie BEGi / Bell Engineering Phone: 830.438.2890 Fax: 830.438.8361 www.bellengineering.net Please include all previous correspondence when replying to an e-mail. Prices quoted are good for 30 days. From: Chad J. Douglas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? So.. were there differences in the 2.0L engines between manual and auto trannies? If he orders one from a manual car, can the parts be swapped or are we hosed? How can we be sure that the XEDE wasn’t outsmarted by the stock ECU, causing a lean condition? Once I get the motor out I’ll get lots of pics, so perhaps we’ll just have to wait on that one. From: Stephanie Turner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:57 AM To: Chad J. Douglas; [email protected] Subject: RE: NC Engine Strongest Rods? Chad, Go with the 2006 motor, if you can find one with an auto tranny. If it came off of another NC, it will be a direct swap. If you end up having to get the Duratec 2.0L Motor out of another car, then there might some converting to do. But not a whole lot. Having swapped NC motors before, you will not find many issues. It is pretty straight forward and easy enough to do. Be careful taking the CAM sensor off. It breaks very easily. Stephanie BEGi / Bell Engineering Phone: 830.438.2890 Fax: 830.438.8361 www.bellengineering.net Please include all previous correspondence when replying to an e-mail. Prices quoted are good for 30 days. From: Chad J. Douglas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: NC Engine Strogest Rods? I am working on an engine swap on a 2007 GT Automatic with a BEGi S3 kit installed. The engine blew up under boost. Some of the research I’ve been doing suggests that one of the other years’ engines may have stronger internals. Is this true? If so, what year should I look for in the wrecking yard, and will there be any issues adapting that engine into a 2007 chassis? Worst-case, I’ll just get another 2007 engine, but if the 2007s have weaker internals, I’d not want this car to suffer the same fate. Thoughts? I need to know soon, since we need to get the replacement engine ordered within the next week or so. 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